Saw a drag race against pickup trucks, now apples to oranges against a SRT Durango?

LMAO, racing a 350 HP V6 vs 475 HP V8.

Why? 0-60 will be at least a second faster for the Dodge.

Absolutely pointless.

 

Good assessment………There really is no comparison between the GV80 and the MDX. I think people want to club the MDX because it gasp lacks a touchscreen interface and overdid the piano black plastic a tad although somehow neither Audi or Range Rover are downgraded for it.

I remember saying before the 2022 MDX was introduced and the GV80 went on sale when everyone was crowning it the SUV to beat to wait to see what the MDX and the Type S would be like.

Honestly I have no idea why people believe that it’s okay to pay close to $80K for a 2023 GV80 and bristle at the idea of paying $75K for the Type S which overall is a superior vehicle than the GV80.

 

I was only surprised by the low top speed of the Type S.
While I know the MDX weighs more, I wonder why Acura limited the Type S this much - was the TLX Type S also limited this (low) top speed?

Is this limit increased when in Sport+ and sequential drive mode is selected (or when manually shifting in those modes)?

 

I was only surprised by the low top speed of the Type S.
While I know the MDX weighs more, I wonder why Acura limited the Type S this much - was the TLX Type S also limited this (low) top speed?

Is this limit increased when in Sport+ and sequential drive mode is selected (or when manually shifting in those modes)?

It’s most likely limited because of fuel economy………

 

Yeah, real bummer that the top speed is only 130...

To bad our Florida friend did not wait for a type s.....he was upset at the 112 limit for the regular MDX!

 

Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment, but the MDX Type S has a top speed of 111MPH
If the top speed was 130MPH, I think it would not be as much of a disappointment.

For all practical purposes, I don't see a time when I will be driving at 130MPH on any US road, but the guy down the road from me with a Tesla Model S plaid will not be driving 180MPH (or faster) nor will any owner of a Porsche, however, it would be dumb to expect those cars that a marketed as being faster than either their default models or faster than the (average) traditional SUV - especially when they put a S in the name end up as being Slower (in the case of the MDX, slower than the base MDX)..

 

I dont trust C&D on this.

They fucked up the top speed in their other article too.

I will not be doing top speed testing, but to be clear I dont think C&D did either. The acura documents pretty clearly say 130.

 

Maybe 2022 was 130 mph and 2023 is 111? Glad I got a 22! (Just kidding, don't plan on going 111 or 130 mph any time soon).

 

I have no interest in taking my S over 100 MPH. Could care less.

 

Same.

 

Wow that’s unbelievably pointless. Nothing about those makes sense to compare. I will say one of the funniest Savagegeese videos is the one on the Durango SRT.

Your assessment of the others seems pretty solid IMHO. You maybe able to find an Audi with better seats - my Q5 with the warm weather package has great seats… but I think the Q7 has the more “base” seats unless you go with the SQ7. If you test out the XC90 auto parking assistant just be careful - it’s not as smart as you’d hope. You may want to also try the GLE450 too if you don’t need a real 3rd row. That was truly our favorite but I couldn’t justify the $$.

 

Yup, I agree the comparo was apples and oranges. On the other hand, having finally had a chance to demo the Type S at my local dealer, I have to agree with C/D that in no way does the Type S qualify as a "performance" SUV, but I'm ok with that - despite the Acura "racing" PR/adverts, it has the typical Honda/Acura virtues of reliability, roominess and decent mileage in an everyday 3-row SUV. It's better than my 2020 MDX Advance and probably on a par with my turbo 2020 Q7 Prestige in terms of power, but with the Q having the edge in terms of overall drivability. The only other point I'd take issue with from the comments posted above would be with the quality of the Type S seats vs. those in the Q7. The perforated leather heated/vented seats in my Q7 are a cut above those in the Type S, in my opinion.

 

Maybe it is a chip shortage thing, but the only perforated / ventilated seats right now are part of a $6000.00+ luxury package on the Q7 Prestige (from what Audi salesman told me, all seats are otherwise pleather). The Build with the prestige and luxury package put's it at $85K. We drove a Premium plus at about $75k, seats were small and felt cheap. Looked at a 2019 Q7 a couple of years back, those seats I really liked, before the last redesign.

 

Oh that's really odd. In late 2020 when we looked at them you couldn't even get pleather seating in the q7 no matter how base model you picked. At least that's what sales told me and my research seemed to confirm. The whole industry is a mess right now though so who knows. I saw at one point this summer Audi was shipping cars with a semiconductor delete "package" that got rid of blind spot monitoring, active cruise, precolliosion braking, and a few other safety items. Crazy thing is the $29k Tiguans were still coming standard with all of those things. But hey they did credit you a whole $1200 off!

 

Of course, the salesman could have been full of pleather...He kept insisting the 2014 - 2019 Q7's had turbo charged engines even though they were supercharged. I could not convince him otherwise.

 

Yeah I suspect he's just wrong. I still can't find anything that indicates Audi has any pleather options for the Q7. With that said I do agree the seats feel a bit small, especially after getting used to the Q5 warm weather / sport seats which IMHO are excellent.

 

Any speed over 100 (used occasionally for passing) is useless in normal driving. Top speeds are frequently limited by tire rating. Tires are chosen by manufacturers for comfort, handling, noise and mpg. These choices limit top safe speed of the tires.

 

Pretty sure I will never go over 100MPH in my Type-S. Occasionally hit 90+ on a recent road trip in the middle of no where. What just bugs my OCD is the 160MPH speedo. This is not just an Acura thing but most cars. I hate it. At least the MDX has a digital speedo so doesn't matter much. I hated my last car which had the smallest gaps between 30-50. I rather have speedo's that are 120 which larger gaps in between.

 

the main point of these videos is to get you to look at them so they make money off your click. But as a secondary effect, I think it causes some of us to look at other brands to determine whether we are getting a good value in comparison even if we will never be drag racing at 75K vehicle on the streets.

I found the GV80 had some nice touches and technology that makes it seem more luxurious. The remote parking is a very nice feature. I also like how the cargo protector can be hidden.

My wife and I ruled out Audi and Volvo since both are known to burn oil, which the manufacturer apparently considers normal. Some new friends of mine who have an Audi Q7 convinced us not to look at them. Then when I looked into their complaint, I found it was quite common for Audi, Volvo, BMW, and Subaru.

Good assessment………There really is no comparison between the GV80 and the MDX. I think people want to club the MDX because it gasp lacks a touchscreen interface and overdid the piano black plastic a tad although somehow neither Audi or Range Rover are downgraded for it.

I remember saying before the 2022 MDX was introduced and the GV80 went on sale when everyone was crowning it the SUV to beat to wait to see what the MDX and the Type S would be like.

Honestly I have no idea why people believe that it’s okay to pay close to $80K for a 2023 GV80 and bristle at the idea of paying $75K for the Type S which overall is a superior vehicle than the GV80.

I club the MDX because the lack of a touchscreen is virtually a deal killer (and may ultimately prove to be an actual deal killer for me). But there are also other things. Almost every other vehicle in its class has electronic controls of some kind for the third row. Almost every other vehicle has a three pronged outlet (ground hole) while the MDX does not. Most other manufacturers have some sort of automatic parking. The GV80 has remote parking where you can actually move the vehicle forward and backward while outside your vehicle.

The GV80 has electronic third row seats, ventilated 2nd row, a spot to store the cargo cover, a touchscreen, and the aforementioned parking assist. And after seeing a 73K MSRP GV80 in person, I didn't feel the Type S was particularly superior. It was a close call with the Type S Advance having superior suspension.

 

I club the MDX because the lack of a touchscreen is virtually a deal killer (and may ultimately prove to be an actual deal killer for me). But there are also other things. Almost every other vehicle in its class has electronic controls of some kind for the third row. Almost every other vehicle has a three pronged outlet (ground hole) while the MDX does not. Most other manufacturers have some sort of automatic parking. The GV80 has remote parking where you can actually move the vehicle forward and backward while outside your vehicle.

The GV80 has electronic third row seats, ventilated 2nd row, a spot to store the cargo cover, a touchscreen, and the aforementioned parking assist. And after seeing a 73K MSRP GV80 in person, I didn't feel the Type S was particularly superior. It was a close call with the Type S Advance having superior suspension.

Just some counterpoints for sake of discussion -

Touchscreen - already discussed at length but as one who doesn't have a 4th gen MDX but would strongly consider one given the great experience I've had with my 3rd gen, this certainly wouldn't be a big deal to me even though I agree it'd be better if Acura provided both input options and then let the user decide which one they want to use.

Third row - I'm not sure what you mean by 'electronic controls' for it but if you mean power folding/lifting of the seat, I can see some utility but also see more potential things to break and the utility will depend on the usage. I actually rarely use the seat so putting it up/down by hand when I want to use it isn't that big of a deal.

Outlet - A 12v DC to AC inverter for a car is about $30. I actually bought one some years ago for 'just in case' and have kept it in the car but have never used it. I don't see a strong need for one unless one needs to plug in a laptop because the 3-5 hours on battery isn't adequate for them but in that niche case most laptop adapters are 2 prong so if there's a 2 prong outlet available it's adequate. For even more niche cases they can always spend the $30 for an inverter like I did.

Auto parking - Maybe it's a case of 'you don't know what you're missing' since I've never had such a thing but I was actually thinking about this type of feature recently and see no point to it for me. If a spot is so tight that I'd have some difficulty parallel parking it myself then I don't want to park my vehicle in that spot since chances are very good the cars on either end of it will hit it when they pull out. I can manage to parallel park in a reasonable spot just fine.

Again, to me these are all just little nits of features that pale in comparison to how the vehicle actually drives and handles and seat comfort, which are attributes far more important to me than the gimmicks. I also consider the point of how often or long I'd actually use one of the features/gimmicks because it translates to what real value it has - i.e. when driving I just don't need to mess with the screen that much so no big deal, I rarely put the 3rd row seat up/down so no big deal, I wouldn't park in a tight spot due to potential damage from other cars so no big deal on self parking, etc.

Driving 100+ mph and acceleration to get to it - also no big deal to me because in the USA I don't ever drive 100mph and don't even drive 90mph. I do drive 85mph where permitted (Utah, I think maybe some of Texas, etc.). I haven't driven the 4th gen but the 3rd gen gets up to 90mph plenty quickly enough. If I were to drive an MDX in Germany, i.e. if I brought one over there with me, then driving 100+ mph would be important because I've driven those speed a lot over there where it's safe to do so. But I have no plans to move to Germany and bring an MDX there with me.

 

^^ Yes, there'll be a bit of a small hill but Toyota, a company with a rep for making decent economy cars at a decent price, did it with Lexus, Honda did it with some success with Acura, Nissan took a shot at it with Infiniti, and it looks like Hyundai is giving it a go with Genesis and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be successful. I don't think it'll take long because they have proven to be able to produce a reliable decently valued vehicle and the means to produce a nicely designed and appointed vehicle in the Genesis. It may take a bit longer to get a dealer experience reputation for the Genesis for those who care about such a thing (not me) but the Genesis can easily have all the same doo-dads and leather, etc. that the others have, and they obviously have some good styling design people on board to make a nice looking vehicle.

We'll see.

I bought a 2005 Hyundai Tucson that's been a good vehicle and of course I eventually bought a Honda in the form of an Acura and it's been a great vehicle.

If next time I'm looking for a vehicle I happen to like a Genesis offering I wouldn't hesitate to buy one. There's not enough of a branding difference between a Genesis and an Acura to mean much to me other than a real data point that can be a factor - resale value. I suspect Acura would have an edge on this over Hyundai at the moment but I haven't researched it so I don't know with certainty.

 

I would never buy a Genesis. GV80 and GV70 models are having major problems with rear differentials failing early and multiple times, even after getting replaced. GV80 Problems GV70 problems

 

I would never buy a Genesis. GV80 and GV70 models are having major problems with rear differentials failing early and multiple times, even after getting replaced.

That sounds concerning but OTOH if you search much on any vehicle, including the MDX, you can usually find concerning instances of something and often these kinds of issues affect a small percentage of the vehicles.

I'm not currently looking for another vehicle so I've done zero research on the Genesis (other than going to the link you provided) or any others besides what I read here about the 4th gen MDX. Before buying a new vehicle I'll do the research first though.

 

Can you get aviators now? Back when I was looking in May-june they were gonna make me wait until December.

This was for the hybrid. It turns out I made out like a bandit on the mdx. Got top dollar for my trade in and 2.75 interest with my credit union. Would have been a much different picture now.