Well yes, it certainly IS a military issue. But it's really MUCH bigger than that now that these horrific images have been repeatedly exposed on worldwide TV and print media. What must the average person think of the US now?keremoner said:I think politicians should try not to get too involved. This is a military issue and should be dealt with by the military.
Since we are the only super power now, there is no scenario under which we will be regarded highly by most of the world. Face it, we are the ones everyone love to hate despite our good deeds around the globe.Blackura said:
Well yes, it certainly IS a military issue. But it's really MUCH bigger than that now that these horrific images have been repeatedly exposed on worldwide TV and print media. What must the average person think of the US now?
World opinion right now is that all of America is just as bad as Saddam was. Of course, we in this country know that is not true. As you said, there can be a bad apple in any group, but without a public apology to the world, we are nothing better than "Saddam, part two." And as bad as he was, at least Saddam was an Iraqi in Iraq... we're perceived as big bully, foreign occupiers trying to steal Arab oil out from under them... and now we're also sadists and butchers as well.
This war has not gone well at all. It's very scary what may come next.
That much is true, definitely. Well said, Keremoner.keremoner said:
Since we are the only super power now, there is no scenario under which we will be regarded highly by most of the world. Face it, we are the ones everyone love to hate despite our good deeds around the globe.
While I respect your opinion I'm not comfortable with the racial slur, please refrain.imraw said:WOW, I wonder how many of you actually understand Military Justice (UCMJ), Orders, Superior-v-subordinate, torture-v-inappropriate actions, etc...
I would be willing to bet that very few that have commented truely understand what happened over there. After 21 years in the military (4 as an enlisted MP) I can not even make much comment on the actions over there since I was not present. Let the smoke clear and see whose career comes to a close. As far as an appology, it is not necessary at this point. What would the appology be for? Pictures? A group of Iraqis that are saying they were "tortured" in that prison? Do we believe these people? Oh yeah, these were the same freaking towel heads that were shooting up my fellow service members just months ago. Appology, I dont think so. OTOH, it is just my opinion.
Keremoner, I almost count on you to discount me (and others) with the "liberal" tag. I'd be dissapointed if you didn't. It keeps you from actually addressing issues, doesn't it?keremoner said:Nevermind neide. He is an apologist who thinks we are too arrogant, like good liberals think.
I do sincerely hope that those involved get a fair trial, and a fair outcome is had. I don't think we should a lynch mob after them, at all. My real concern is that the guys at the bottom of the totem pole, who may or may not have done these things, are going to take ALL OF the blame. I doubt we'll ever really know who up the chain was involved, and I doubt they will truly take responsibility for their actions and decisions. I hope they do, but I doubt it. Problem is, we'll never really know for sure.mcclendons said:While I do not use the term "towelhead", I do agree with IMRAW to a large degree. Might have something to do with 20+ years military myself
It is easy to sit back, and look at the "facts" that are published in the news, then scream court martial. Fact is, our news tends to be incomplete and biased. I do not know the details, and while I agree the evidence looks bad, I've not seen enough to ruin the lives of ALL the soldiers involved. If there is enough evidence that comes out later, maybe......
I can tell you, first hand, when you personally know someone that lost their lives due to radical extremism, it is easy to hold a very harsh view that could lead to a harsh reaction. Would I have done what a "few" soldiers did, I hope not.......but then I am not there getting shot at, abused in the streets, etc.
Bottom line, give them the benefit of the doubt until you've walked a mile in their shoes. If we got as upset when one of our own was "tortured" (I'm talking beheaded/hung, not taken a picture of....), maybe we be finishing up what went to Iraq to accomplish.