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Pilot and MDX Differences

Part 1. Introduction

There have been a lot of questions on the differences between the Pilot and the MDX. There have been a lot of confusing answers. Earlier I had posted on the differences known to date. Since I frequently have to refer back to that info, I decided to put it all in one place and an easy-to-read format. So here is a one-stop, "reference thread," if you will. I hope that some will find it useful.

In the first part of this thread, I've tried to avoid a value judgement of one vehicle vs. the other. The exception will be automotive reviews, whose comments are of course subjective.

Everyone's buying priorities are different, and they often change over time. Obviously this is an MDX enthusiasts' system, and I own an MDX, so I can't be totally objective either. But I've tried to just outline the differences in the first five messages of this thread. I'll post my own opinions later on.

For comparison purposes, I thought the best way to compare them was a Pilot EX-L (EX with leather) and a "base" MDX (actually called the MDX Premium).

Please note that the vehicles cited here are versions for the U.S. market.

I've reserved some message spots to keep room for further info. Any message in the first five may be edited later based on new information or corrections. Please feel free to PM me if you see anything wrong or that I'm missing.

Again, I hope some folks find this useful.
 

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Part 2: Table of Differences between the Pilot EX-L and MDX Base

<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"><tr bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><td> </td><td><b>2003 Pilot EX-L</b></td><td><b>2002 MDX Base</b></td></tr><tr><td>Pricing (including destination)</td><td>$30,980</td><td>$35,200</td></tr><tr><td>Invoice/MSRP Margin</td><td>$3,063.69 or 11.2% of MSRP</td><td>$3,438.23 or 11.0% of MSRP</td></tr><tr><td>Gross Dealer Profit @MSRP</td><td>$3,979.29 or 13.04%</td><td>$4,479.23 or 12.91%</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><td><b>Powertrain / Performance</b></td><td><b>2003 Pilot EX-L</b></td><td><b>2002 MDX Base</b></td></tr><tr><td>Horsepower</td><td>[email protected] rpm</td><td>[email protected] rpm</td></tr><tr><td>Torque</td><td>242 lbs-ft @ 4500rpm</td><td>245 lbs-ft @ 3000-5000rpm<br>95+ percent of peak torque @ 2000 to 5500 rpm</td></tr><tr><td>Mileage</td><td>17/22</td><td>17/23</td></tr><tr><td>Fuel Octane</td><td>Regular</td><td>Premium</td></tr><tr><td>Emissions</td><td>LEV/ULEV</td><td>ULEV</td></tr><tr><td>First Tune-Up, Miles</td><td>105,000</td><td>100,000</td></tr><tr><td>Transmission Shifter</td><td>Steering wheel mounted</td><td>Gated, console-mounted</td></tr><tr><td>Acceleration, 0-60mph (fastest observed time)</td><td>7.8 seconds (MW)</td><td>7.6 seconds (2001 model - MW)</td></tr><tr><td>Acceleration, 1/4 mile (fastest observed time)</td><td>16.1 seconds @ 86 mph (MW)</td><td>15.9 seconds @ 87 mph (2001 model - MW)</td></tr><tr><td>Braking</td><td>60-0 136' (MW)</td><td>60-0 132' (2001 model - MW)</td></tr><tr><td>Skidpad</td><td>0.73g (C&D)</td><td>0.74g (2001 model - C&D)</td></tr><tr><td>Suspension Tuning, Observed</td><td>"Somewhat softer ... more body roll" (C&D)</td><td> </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><td><b>Exterior Features</b></td><td><b>2003 Pilot EX-L</b></td><td><b>2002 MDX Base</b></td></tr><tr><td>Styling</td><td>Sheetmetal unique to Pilot</td><td>Sheetmetal unique to MDX</b></td></tr><tr><td>Tires & Wheels</td><td>16" Goodyear Integrity's? P235/70 R16, alloy wheels</td><td>17" Goodyear Integrity's P235/65 R17, alloy wheels</td></tr><tr><td>Fog/Driving Lamps</td><td>Accessory</td><td>Standard, Integrated</td></tr><tr><td>Heated outside mirrors</td><td>N/A</td><td>Standard</td></tr><tr><td>Moonroof</td><td>N/A</td><td>Standard; Tilt-up</td></tr><tr><td>Rear Windows roll all the way down</td><td>Yes</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Roof Rails</td><td>Standard (crossbars are accessory)</td><td>Accessory (fixed crossbars)</td></tr><tr><td>Body Side Moldings</td><td>Standard</td><td>Accessory</td></tr><tr><td>Door Handles</td><td>Black</td><td>Chromed</td></tr><tr><td>Rear Spoiler</td><td>Standard ("Rear Roofline Spoiler")</td><td>Accessory ("Tailgate Deflector")</td></tr><tr><td>Exhaust Tips</td><td>Plain</td><td>Chromed Stainless Steel</td></tr><tr><td>Hood Support</td><td>Prop Rod</td><td>Gas Struts</td></tr><tr><td>Available Color Combinations, Exterior/Interior</td><td>Black Pearl/Gray<BR>White/Fern<BR>Silver/Gray<BR>Redrock/Gray<BR>Evergreen/Saddle<BR>Havasu Blue/Gray<BR>Sandstone/Saddle (Aug)<BR>Sage Brush/Fern (Aug)</td><td>Black Pearl/Ebony<BR>Black Pearl/Saddle<BR>Taffeta White/Saddle<BR>Silver Metallic/Ebony<br>Redrock/Saddle<br>Havasu Blue/Ebony<br>Mesa Beige/Saddle</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><td><b>Exterior Dimensions</b></td><td><b>2003 Pilot EX-L</b></td><td><b>2002 MDX Base</b></td></tr><tr><td>Length</td><td>188.0"</td><td>188.5"</td></tr><tr><td>Wheelbase</td><td>106.3"</td><td>106.3</td></tr><tr><td>Width</td><td>77.3"</td><td>77"</td></tr><tr><td>Track Front</td><td>66.3"</td><td>66.3"</td></tr><tr><td>Track Rear</td><td>66.5"</td><td>66.5"</td></tr><tr><td>Height</td><td>71.7"</td><td>68.7" (71.3" if roof rack added)</td></tr><tr><td>Weight</td><td>4,439 lbs</td><td>4,374 lbs</td></tr><tr><td>Weight Distribution Ratio</td><td>57%/43%</td><td>58%/42%</td></tr><tr><td>Ground Clearance</td><td>8.0"</td><td>8.0"</td></tr><tr><td>Steering Wheel Turns, Lock-to-Lock</td><td>3.22</td><td>3.22</td></tr><tr><td>Turning Circle Diameter</td><td>38.0</td><td>38.9</td></tr><tr><td>Towing Capacity (requires coolers)</td><td>3,500 lbs, 4,500 for boats; premium gas recommended for towing > 3,500 lbs</td><td>3,500 lbs, 4,500 for boats</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><td><b>Interior Features</b></td><td><b>2003 Pilot EX-L</b></td><td><b>2002 MDX Base</b></td></tr><tr><td>Driver's Seat Adjustments</td><td>8-way power with lumbar support</td><td>8-way power with lumbar support</td></tr><tr><td>Passenger's Seat Adjustments</td><td>4-way manual</td><td>4-way manual</td></tr><tr><td>Heated Front Seats</td><td>N/A</td><td>Standard</td></tr><tr><td>Front Headrests</td><td>Open design, non-adjustable</td><td>Closed design, adjustable up/down</td></tr><tr><td>Automatic Climate Control</td><td>Standard; 2nd row HVAC subsystem</td><td>Standard; 2nd row HVAC subsystem</td></tr><tr><td>Interior Trim</td><td>"Metallic" plastic</td><td>Plastic "Wood"</td></tr><tr><td>One-touch-down Driver's Window</td><td>Standard</td><td>Standard</td></tr><tr><td>One-touch-up Driver's Window</td><td>Standard</td><td>N/A</td></tr><tr><td>Electrochromatic (auto-dimming) rear view mirror</td><td>Accessory</td><td>Standard</td></tr><tr><td>Center Console</td><td>Standard, with Cellular Phone Cradle</td><td>Standard</td></tr><tr><td>Beverage Holders</td><td>9</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td>12-Volt Accessory Outlets</td><td>4</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td>1st Row Rear Seatback Pockets</td><td>Standard, upper & lower, mesh</td><td>Standard, lower</td></tr><tr><td>2nd Row Fold-Down Activity Tray</td><td>Standard</td><td>N/A</td></tr><tr><td>Cargo Net</td><td>Standard</td><td>Accessory</td></tr><!-- --><tr bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><td><b>Passenger & Cargo Capacity</b></td><td><b>2003 Pilot EX-L</b></td><td><b>2002 MDX Base</b></td></tr><tr><td>Maximum Passengers</td><td>8</td><td>7</td></tr><tr><td>Third Row Seat</td><td>Split 60-40, 3 headrests/belts</td><td>Split 50-50, 2 headrests/belts</td></tr><tr><td>Passenger Volume</td><td>170.7 cubic ft</td><td>161.5 cubic ft</td></tr><tr><td>1st Row Headroom</td><td>41.9"</td><td>38.7"</td></tr><tr><td>1st Row Legroom</td><td>41.4"</td><td>41.5"</td></tr><tr><td>1st Row Shoulder Room</td><td>61.6"</td><td>61.2"</td></tr><tr><td>1st Row Hip Room</td><td>57.5"</td><td>56.9"</td></tr><tr><td>2nd Row Headroom</td><td>40.9"</td><td>39.0"</td></tr><tr><td>2nd Row Legroom</td><td>37.4"</td><td>37.8"</td></tr><tr><td>2nd Row Shoulder Room</td><td>61.4"</td><td>61.1"</td></tr><tr><td>2nd Row Hip Room</td><td>56.6"</td><td>56.3"</td></tr><tr><td>3rd Row Headroom</td><td>38.9"</td><td>36.3"</td></tr><tr><td>3rd Row Legroom</td><td>30.2"</td><td>29.3"</td></tr><tr><td>3rd Row Shoulder Room</td><td>58.8"</td><td>58.6"</td></tr><tr><td>3rd Row Hip Room</td><td>49.0"</td><td>48.5"</td></tr><tr><td>Cargo Capacity, 2nd & 3rd rows folded, cubic feet</td><td>90.3</td><td>82.0</td></tr><tr><td>Cargo Volume, 2nd row in use, 3rd row folded, cubic feet</td><td>48.7</td><td>49.6</td></tr><tr><td>Cargo Volume, 2nd & 3rd row in use, cubic feet</td><td>16.3</td><td>???</td></tr><tr><td>Cargo area can hold 4-foot wide building material flat on floor (without closing the hatch)</td><td>Yes</td><td>No (must be raised or angled slightly)</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><td><b>Audio & Electronics</b></td><td><b>2003 Pilot EX-L</b></td><td><b>2002 MDX Base</b></td></tr><tr><td>Audio System</td><td>AM/FM/CD/Cassette Auto System with 7 Speakers (including subwoofer), 155 watts</td><td>AM/FM/CD/Cassette Auto System with 7 Speakers (including subwoofer)</td></tr><tr><td>Radio Antenna</td><td>Integrated in Window</td><td>External Dorsal</td></tr><tr><td>CD Changer</td><td>Accessory - 6 CD, under seat</td><td>Accessory - 6 CD, under seat</td></tr><tr><td>Trip Computer</td><td>N/A</td><td>Standard</td></tr><tr><td>Compass</td><td>Accessory</td><td>Standard</td></tr><tr><td>DVD Entertainment System</td><td>Available</td><td>N/A</td></tr><tr><td>Rear Collision Safety</td><td>Rear view camera & backup sensor are avail. OEM accessories</td><td>N/A</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><td><b>Safety</b></td><td><b>2003 Pilot EX-L</b></td><td><b>2002 MDX Base</b></td></tr><tr><td>Expected IIHS Offset Frontal Crash Test Score</td><td>Good</td><td>Good</td></tr><tr><td>Actual IIHS Crash Test Score</td><td>To be tested</td><td>Good + Best Pick (2nd place among all tested SUV's)</td></tr><tr><td>Expected NHTSA Full Frontal Crash Test Scores</td><td>5-stars</td><td>5-stars</td></tr><tr><td>Actual NHTSA Full Frontal Crash Test Scores</td><td>N/A</td><td>N/A</td></tr><tr><td>Expected NHTSA Side Impact Crash Test Scores</td><td>5-stars</td><td>5-stars</td></tr><tr><td>Actual NHTSA Side Impact Crash Test Scores</td><td>N/A</td><td>5-stars front, 5-stars rear</td></tr><tr><td>Actual NHTSA Rollover Resistance Rating</td><td>N/A</td><td>4-stars</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><td><b>Support</b></td><td><b>2003 Pilot EX-L</b></td><td><b>2002 MDX Base</b></td></tr><tr><td>Warranty</td><td>3 years, 36,000 miles</td><td>4 years, 50,000 miles</td></tr><tr><td>Extended Warranties</td><td>Honda, to 7 years, 100,000 miles</td><td>Acura, to 7 years, 100,000 miles</td></tr><tr><td>Number of Dealerships</td><td>??? (lots)</td><td>??? (significantly less)</td></tr><tr><td>Service Costs</td><td>Labor rate usually lower</td><td>Labor rate usually higher</td></tr><tr><td>Roadside Assistance during warranty period</td><td>No</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Service Perks with <u>most</u> dealerships</td><td> </td><td>Free vacuum & wash<br>Loaners</td></tr></table>
 

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Part 3. Textual Summary of Differences

The 2002 MDX Base (Premium) has over the 2003 Pilot EX-L:

- Slightly lower dealer profit margin (12.91% vs 13.04%)
- Somewhat better torque delivery.
- 1 more EPA highway mpg.
- ULEV in all 50 states, not just CA.
- Console-mounted shifter instead of a column-mounted shifter.
- Slightly faster acceleration (Motorweek clocked 7.6 vs. 7.8 seconds 0-60).
- Slightly shorter braking distance (Motorweek 60-0 was 132' vs 136').
- (Motorweek numbers are based on a tested 2001 MDX).
- Sharper handling and steering.
- "MDX styling."
- 17" wheels instead of 16"
- Standard, integrated foglamps instead of available accessory lamps.
- Heated outside mirrors.
- Moonroof.
- Chrome door handles.
- Chromed stainless steel exhaust tips.
- Hood supported by gas struts instead of a prop rod.
- Some different exterior/interior color combinations.
- 65 lbs lighter.
- Heated front seats.
- Front headrests adjust up/down.
- Different interior trim, with simulated wood.
- Electrochromatic (autodimming) rear view mirror is standard, not accessory.
- 2nd row fold-down fully-padded armrest.
- 50-50 split third row.
- More lateral room for one or two passengers in third row.
- 0.1" more 1st row legroom.
- 0.4" more 2nd row legroom.
- 0.9" more cubic feet of cargo capacity behind the 2nd row (3rd row folded down).
- Radio antenna on roof instead of in window.
- Trip computer.
- Standard compass, instead of an accessory.
- Offset front crash-tested by IIHS ("Best Pick", highest score of "Good", 2nd highest SUV rated). Pilot hasn't been tested yet but Honda expects at least the "Good" score.
- Side-impact crash-tested by NHTSA (5 stars front, 5 stars rear). Pilot not tested yet, but Honda expects 5-stars.
- NHTSA rollover resistance rated at 4 stars. Static stability factor the highest of any rated SUV. Pilot not rated yet.
- 4 years, 50,000 miles warranty instead of 3 years, 36,000 miles.
- Roadside assistance included during warranty period.
- Many Acura dealers offer free loaners and free wash/vacuum with service.

The 2003 Pilot EX-L has over the 2002 MDX:

- MSRP+destination charge is $4,220 lower.
- Uses regular fuel instead of premium.
- First tune-up at 105k instead of 100k.
- Column-mounted shifter instead of the gated console shifter.
- Softer ride.
- "Pilot styling."
- Rear windows roll all the way down.
- Roof rails are standard, instead of accessory.
- Accessory crossbars are adjustable, unlike fixed MDX accessory rack crossmembers.
- Body side moldings standard, instead of accessory.
- Standard rear roofline spoiler, instead of accessory Tailgate Deflector.
- Some different exterior/interior color combinations.
- 0.9 foot smaller turning circle.
- Different interior trim.
- Front headrests have an "open" design.
- Center console has cell phone cradle and more storage space.
- 2nd row fold-down activity tray.
- Cargo net is standard, instead of an accessory.
- 8-passenger seating instead of 7-passenger.
- 60-40 split third row.
- 9.2 more cubic feet of passenger volume.
- 3.2" more 1st row headroom.
- 0.4" more 1st row shoulder room.
- 0.6" more 1st row hip room.
- 1.9" more 2nd row headroom.
- 0.3" more 2nd row shoulder room.
- 0.3" more 2nd row hip room.
- 2.6" more 3rd row headroom.
- 0.9" more 3rd row legroom.
- 0.2" more 3rd row shoulder room.
- 0.5" more 3rd row hip room.
- 8.3 more cubic feet of cargo capacity with 2nd and 3rd rows folded down.
- Holds 4x8 sheets flat on the cargo floor, instead of the MDX having to raise them or angle them slightly.
- Available DVD entertainment system.
- Available accessory rear view camera and backup sensors.
- Larger dealer network, more available dealers.
- Labor rate at dealer is usually lower.
 

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Part 4. Auto journalist comments on differences

This message contains quotes from various auto reviews on the differences between the vehicle. Of course, these are the subjective opinions of the reviewers.

Car & Driver 6/02 Issue

http://caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/2002/june/200206_roadtest_pilot.xml

"However, with smooth ride as a key dynamic priority, the Pilot's suspension tuning is a little softer than that of its more expensive cousin ... the Pilot exhibits more body roll in hard cornering than the sportier MDX ...

"The Acura can almost run down a BMW X5 3.0i on the road, whereas the Pilot feels noticeably porkier. Plus, the MDX's tangier styling makes the bland Pilot look like the byproduct of a Senate subcommittee on SUVs. If you have the extra money, spend it with my blessing."

Edmunds First Drive 5/23/02

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/firstdrive/62442/article.html

"The MDX makes slightly more torque at a lower rpm thanks to a more advanced intake manifold ...

"Suspension tuning is softer than the MDX. As a result, the Pilot isn't as entertaining to drive as its Acura cousin ..."

Autoworld 6/02 Issue

"The MDX is boutique stylish. The Pilot looks like it came off the dress-for-less at Target."

AutoWeek 5/15/02

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=reviews&loc_code=index&content_code=07179870

"The Pilot is basically a softer- sprung version of the Acura MDX, with a more rounded exterior and increased storage space inside. ...

"It’s actually a lot closer to the MDX than you might think ... gets the same powerful 240- horsepower, 242-lb-ft 3.5-liter V6 as the MDX ...

"Pilot’s interior is aimed at being more family-friendly than the style-conscious MDX."

The Car Connection 5/20/02

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=4925&sid=181&n=157

"There’s not a single panel of sheetmetal, nor a single pane of glass, shared with the up-market Acura model ...

"The interior is completely different, as well. For one thing, Honda’s version is an eight- seater, one more than the MDX. And while the automaker might not like to make the comparison, the Pilot is designed, in many ways, to function as a stylish substitute for the far less hip Honda Odyssey minivan. Under the skin, there are other changes in line with Pilot’s primary purpose as a people carrier. The ride is a bit softer, the emphasis on comfort, rather than performance.

"On road, the Pilot has a softer and more comfortable ride than MDX, reflecting the intended market."
 

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Part 5. Revision History

The above posts can be edited at any time to reflect corrections and new data that may come in.

Revisions will be listed here.

[5/20/02]

Table Changes:

- Added braking and skidpad numbers. More numbers will be out as the Pilot is more extensively tested.

- Removed part about maplights in the grab handles of the Pilot. Both vehicles have grab handles, and apparently just distribute the lights differently -- the Pilot's rear lights are in the grab handles, the MDX's in a center dome.

- Took off the question mark about the pockets behind the Pilot's first row seats. They are definitely mesh.

- Added NHTSA rollover resistance rating row to the Safety section.

- Added some torque curve numbers on the MDX.

[5/23/02]

- Added some reviewer comments on differences.

[5/25/02]

- Added some more reviewer comments on differences.

- Corrected item on Pilot not having the MDX's 2nd row heating and cooling unit with individual controls. It does have them!

[6/1/02]

- Fixed table formatting.

- Added that the Pilot's rear windows roll all the way down, unlike the MDX's.

[6/8/02]

- Added detail that in-dash CD changer can't be combined with nav or DVD on the Pilot (but can use underseat one).

[6/12/02]

- In-dash CD Changer is apparently just for the LX, not the EX models.

[6/13/02]

- Finally added textual summary of differences.

[6/16/02]

- Added dealer profit margins (invoice/MSRP difference, gross profit margin including holdback).

[6/8/02]

- Added line item that the Pilot can hold 4x8 sheets flat on the cargo floor, while on the MDX, they have to be angled somewhat.

[6/23/02]

- Added that the MDX has chrome stainless steel exhaust tips (finishers), while the Pilot does not.

- Added that the Pilot has an "open" design headrest while the MDX does not, while the MDX has headrests that are adjustable up/down while the Pilot's is not.

[7/26/02]

- Added MotorWeek 0-60, 1/4 mile, and 60-0 times from their test, compared with their test of a 2001 MDX.

[8/14/02]

- On request, added clarification that the MDX can hold 4x8 sheets (without closing hatch) on the cargo floor if the sheets are either angled or raised.
 

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Great post, William! :29:
 

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great work! :)

although, 7.6s 0-60 i think is pushing it... i'd say 8.1s is just about right for MDX (maybe they tested base with nothing eXtra on it, with the gusty wind blowing from behind, and maybe K & N filter neatly tucked somewhere inside? :D)

the table helps identify the pros/cons for both suvs. of course until the pilot is brought to reality and one can actually go and test-drive/touch/smell/feel/taste/hear, some concerns cannot be addressed - one major flow i see with the pilot is it's braking distance.

btw, i find it pretty strange that all magazines comparisons are not done using the same distances, ratios, etc. for example, Horsepower - Pilot 240 [email protected], MXD [email protected] makes me wonder what those + or - 100 rotations do to performance? :rolleyes:

or, take the breaking distance 70-0 205 vs 60-0 132 (in most magazines i saw 139). by doing some guestimates, 60-0 for the pilot will be around 150 (and most comparos are bashing acura's breaking already?!) :confused:

uh... this is an endless discussion, we'll wait and see... 1/2 month left!
 

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great job wmquan!!! you are the man...:6:

interesting to find out the 'minor' differences at the engine part, maybe that's why mdx requires premium gas whereas pilot (and oddysse) only asks for regular?
 

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Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad it's helpful.

I guess what we don't know are the horsepower and torque curves of the Pilot. E.g. the MDX's engine is tuned to pump out "95 percent of peak torque is available from 2000 to 5500 rpm." I think it helps a lot with the vehicle's acceleration, and the Pilot's curve may not be as strong -- at least when it's being fueled with regular gas. That brings up an interesting question: is an MDX on regular gas still as quick as a Pilot on regular, or do they become the same?

Here's a good illustration of how the power curve makes a huge difference. The MDX Base has a worse peak-hp/weight and peak-torque ratio than a Highlander Limited AWD V6. Yet the MDX is clearly faster in 0-60 and most other measurements. Not that we're here to drag race, and low-end power is of course important too (and there the MDX is no slouch either!). But it shows how deceiving the peak numbers can be.

I think the Pathfinder/QX4 suffers from a similar problem, its peak HP doesn't match its actual performance. I remember reviews asking where did the extra horsepower go.

I'm not sure if the MDX's braking performance is any better than the Pilot's, but we'll need more tests to find out. It's hard to compare some of the tests because of the different ways that media outlets run the tests, plus the fact that the test conditions can vary day to day and year to year.

E.g. C&D's luxury SUV comparo has a slow 0-60 time for the MDX. But that test was clearly done in pretty bad conditions because all the vehicles tested came out slow. And some outlets take the best time out of a few runs, some do it from idle, etc.

Motor Week's 7.6 time is probably a bit of a freak. I think I have seen one other sub-8-second time but I think it was about 7.75 or something thereabouts. I'd still guess that the MDX is a bit faster in acceleration than the Pilot but we'll need to see numbers to be sure.
 

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Wow!!

Great work! It will be invaluable for those who want to compare! The MDX was the only one for me and this confirmed it (although I am sure the Pilot will be a great alternative.....for those seeking alternatives;) )!!:D
 

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I'm not sure if the MDX's braking performance is any better than the Pilot's, but we'll need more tests to find out. It's hard to compare some of the tests because of the different ways that media outlets run the tests, plus the fact that the test conditions can vary day to day and year to year.
Good point - it's difficult to tell. I would guess that the MDX might have a slight advantage based upon a slightly lower weight and maybe a lower center of gravity (if that matters in braking?). Doesn't the Pilot have a bit higher of a roofline (not a big difference)? I also am not sure but the Michelins might stop a bit quicker than the Goodyears - if so then a touring MDX might stop a bit quicker than the Pilot.
 

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Great comparison wmquan! It was really hard to get a point-to-point comparison. That table just does it. Given the same choices today, however, I'd still go with the MDX, but that's just me:)
 

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Edmunds "First Drive" of the Pilot

Available at:

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/firstdrive/62442/article.html

"Suspension tuning is softer than the MDX. As a result, the Pilot isn't as entertaining to drive as its Acura cousin ..."

Honda definitely has softened the suspension on the Pilot. The tradeoff for a more cushy ride will be handling, choose your poison.
 

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Though Honda doesn't offer a reverse parking sensor, a liftgate-mounted wide-angle miniature video camera can be ordered from a dealer. Once installed, the camera will project its field of view on the nav screen any time the vehicle is put in reverse.

I would love to have this on the MDX
 

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one extra 'minor' difference

just finished reading the review article on 'motortrend', they said the pilot will have 'vented disk' for front brakes and 'solid rear disk'... i took a look a my mdx a few minutes later, found out that mine has solid disks front and rear....:confused:

guess that's gonna change for 2003 mdx....
 

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Re: one extra 'minor' difference

jj_mdx said:
just finished reading the review article on 'motortrend', they said the pilot will have 'vented disk' for front brakes and 'solid rear disk'... i took a look a my mdx a few minutes later, found out that mine has solid disks front and rear....:confused:
Hi JJ. Interesting, because when I was constructing the table I was careful to check if there were differences in braking. According to the manufacturer specs, there is no difference between the Pilot and MDX's brakes. E.g. the acura.com site says that for the fronts:

"Ventilated, 11.8 in. diameter; 1.1 in. rotor thickness"

Thus, I'm pretty sure that the MDX has ventilated front disk brakes, and solid rear disks for the back, just like the Pilot.

Perhaps the venting isn't obvious when one looks under the vehicle?
 

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you could be right... but i surely couldn't tell the difference between the front disk and the rear disk... they both look like solid to me.... maybe the front is ventilated in some unique way...:confused:

to me, vented disk has big holes on surface that one could easily spot....
 

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jj_mdx said:
you could be right... but i surely couldn't tell the difference between the front disk and the rear disk... they both look like solid to me.... maybe the front is ventilated in some unique way...:confused:

to me, vented disk has big holes on surface that one could easily spot....
I think you are referring to drilled rotors. The front disk rotors of the MDX are vented. They are made of two separate rotors that are sandwiched leaving a space between that offers some air flow and thus cooling.
They look something like this from the side:
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Vs. solid rotors that are just that - one solid rotor:
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It is almost impossible to see the difference w/o removing the wheels, but you can feel the difference with your hand.
 

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ahaaaa..... that explains..... thanks a lot.....
 
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