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Well first of all, I absolutely LUV my MDX, BUT.....

I'm noticing in all the snow we've gotten in the past few days, that it really isn't as sure-footed in the snow as I thought it was. In just driving around my neighborhood or anywhere the roads haven't been sufficiently cleared yet, just SLOWLY turning a corner (and I do mean slowly) and the X still slips and slides all over the place. In making a left turn the other day, I almost fish-tailed into a ditch. Just coming to a stop at a stop sign, I start sliding and my ABS kicks in.

The VTM-lock works great when I'm pulling off on an incline or pulling out of a snow-covered driveway, but other than that I feel like it slides all over the place. Am I missing something or is this totally normal (i.e., what everyone else experiences). I don't expect it (or any other vehicle) to perform perfect on ice, but right now I'm just talking about snow and slush covered roads. Or should I maybe have my tires checked? (Goodyear with about 26K miles on them).

Thanks in advance!
 

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I have a Touring 03 and it handled extremely well here in the Fingerlakes in central NY over the snowy weekend. This probably doesn't help but I think mine did so well because it's a Touring, which has different tires than the Premium, and that the 03s have traction control or VSA. I drove around with the VSA engaged and disengaged and it made a big difference in controling the car in turns. Sorry.
 

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I have a Touring 03 and it handled extremely well here in the Fingerlakes in central NY over the snowy weekend. This probably doesn't help but I think mine did so well because it's a Touring, which has different tires than the Premium, and that the 03s have traction control or VSA. I drove around with the VSA engaged and disengaged and it made a big difference in controling the car in turns. Sorry.
Interesting. Pending responses from the other '02 owners, I'm inclined to think it's more of a difference between the '02 & '03 vs. premium & touring.

By the way, where are you in the Fingerlakes? I'm in the Corning/Horseheads/Elmira area.
 

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Tires also make a huge difference. As your tires have over 26,000 miles on them, the tread is worn. Compared to a new MDX with the same tires that MDX will handle better than you in the snow as the tire treads will provide more bite in the snow. IMO, have your tires checked also for tread wear and consider getting a mud+snow tire for your next new set, they are suppose to be better in the wet stuff.
 

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Tires would make sense....I don't remember the handling being this bad last year. I will definitely have the tires checked during my next service. I was thinking 26K miles was premature to be thinking about new tires, but apparently not!
 

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I think there are two things:

1. I am pretty sure you already know this, but AWD or 4WD does not improve DRAMATICALLY the handling on snow and ice. It just adds some stability and gives you better control. However, it will still slide and pull in some cases. For that reason, I recommend driving very carefully (which you are already doing) and using winter tires.

2. IMO, MDX can slide and fishtail in snow more than some other SUVs. But I think the secret is getting used to how to drive it. MDX has more power than many other SUVs, has lighter steering and AWD instead of 4WD. So, it is figuring out the steering style while driving in the snow, especially in the corners. Then, you have to figure out the accelerating style and combining it with steering in order to avoid slips and fishtailing.

Once I got used to that (after driving a couple days in the snow and experimenting in an empty parking lot), it is great - I feel confident and it does not fishtail or slip at all driving straight or turning. But I have to admit that it is much easier to spin or fishtail MDX than Montero.

Here is another thread on this subject:
http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8711&highlight=desant

3. Big difference in tires. Goodyear (Premium) vs. Michelin (Touring). My experiences show that Michelin Cross Terrain is MUCH better than Goodyear or any all-season tire for snow and ice handling. In fact, on my other SUV I changed factory Yokohama tires to Michelin Cross Terrains and there is a world of difference in the snow. This said, I am planning to use winter tires next year on MDX.
 

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dmyles said:


Interesting. Pending responses from the other '02 owners, I'm inclined to think it's more of a difference between the '02 & '03 vs. premium & touring.

By the way, where are you in the Fingerlakes? I'm in the Corning/Horseheads/Elmira area.
I'm from the Ithaca area where, as you know, can be quite hilly. I noticed the greyhound on your mail. Do you do greyhound rescues? We have a whippet.
 

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I'm afraid the Goodyear Integrity's just aren't as good in the slick stuff as the Michelin Cross Terrain's. Check out these survey ratings on TireRack.com:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Integrity&vehicleSearch=true&partnum=365TR7INTACURA

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Cross+Terrain+SUV&vehicleSearch=true&partnum=365TR7CTSUV

The other issue is the lack of VSA in the 2001's and 2002's. VSA really does help in slick turns. In this particular driving scenario, the VTM-4 won't send power to the rears until after you start slipping, which occurs pretty quickly in a turn.

When your tires get replaced, please consider the Cross Terrain's. Costco has good prices on them and they're really good.
 

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I'm from the Ithaca area where, as you know, can be quite hilly. I noticed the greyhound on your mail. Do you do greyhound rescues? We have a whippet.
Small world! Yes, I have one greyhound. I got him from National Greyhound Adoption Program (NGAP) in Philly, but for convenience, I associate with Monica's Heart Greyhound Adoption which does meet'n'greets at the Petco here in Horseheads. I'd luv to add a whippet someday, but with 2 cats and a dog, my house is a bit full as it is! Where did you get your whippet? Someplace locally?
 

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wmquan said:
I'm afraid the Goodyear Integrity's just aren't as good in the slick stuff as the Michelin Cross Terrain's. Check out these survey ratings on TireRack.com:

When your tires get replaced, please consider the Cross Terrain's. Costco has good prices on them and they're really good.
Most definitely will! Thanks for all the advice!
 

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I have the Goodyear tires on my 03 base X, 4,500 miles, and think the X handles great. We just got two feet of snow in Westchester, NY and I was able to drive out of driveway without shoveling. The X handled great on the street, starting, turning and stopping. I felt very secure.
 

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My original in Snow Performance thread:

"First-time poster. Had to add to great comments about snow performance since we might not get these conditions again for some time.

After a 3-day, 850 mile drive from W.Va. to Wilmington, DE and area, and then back to W.Va. by myself late Monday night, my wife's '01 MDX saw every type of miserable condition on highways and remote back roads--and could not have performed any better. Not a stumble or hesitation. The last heroic act of the trip was getting up my driveway though 26in of unplowed snow with a 6" frozen layer on top.

Just awesome."

My '01 has Cross-Terrains with almost 28k on them and I think everyone has pretty much endorsed these as being among the best. First time in "real" snow, but lots of driving in rain and mostly highway miles have proven their worth.
 

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Both of my dogs...

Have four PAWS and about sixteen long sharp nails each . They pretty much NEVER slip & slide on unsholved roadways & sidewalks.

I, OTOH, have but two feet, even shod in the finest slip resistant Sorel Caribou boots <img src="http://www.greenlife.co.jp/item/boots/img/sorel_carib.jpg">, I slip & slide quite a bit. Might even fall down. Then when I am down if I were to "crawl" around on my hands & feet I'd still slip more the dogs.

Point being -- without STUDDED TIRES (or chains) you just cannot say "I though t it'd drive better than THIS"...
 
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