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Just added an oil catch can...it works.

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Due to having Honda/Acura in the past and knowing how the VCM may pose an issue I've went ahead and installed one of these. I saw it on the Pilot forum and I can say after a few hundred miles, it catches oil that normally blow by your pistons and gets sucked back into the intake causing gum up. What's worse is that the engine uses direct injection so the fuel does not clean the valves no matter what tier gas you use.


I mounted it to an L bracket that I made with aluminum stock, drilled a hole and mounted it with one of the motor mount bolts. I don't have any pictures but used this forum, start with post #16.


This will keep your intake valves and manifold a little cleaner, how much I don't know but when I pour what it catches out, it gives me a good feeling that it didn't get sucked back into the engine. Hope this helps.
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Due to having Honda/Acura in the past and knowing how the VCM may pose an issue I've went ahead and installed one of these. I saw it on the Pilot forum and I can say after a few hundred miles, it catches oil that normally blow by your pistons and gets sucked back into the intake causing gum up. What's worse is that the engine uses direct injection so the fuel does not clean the valves no matter what tier gas you use.


I mounted it to an L bracket that I made with aluminum stock, drilled a hole and mounted it with one of the motor mount bolts. I don't have any pictures but used this forum, start with post #16.


This will keep your intake valves and manifold a little cleaner, how much I don't know but when I pour what it catches out, it gives me a good feeling that it didn't get sucked back into the engine. Hope this helps.
I have been looking into this. But a bit afraid to do this because it may void the Acura powertrain warranty?
I have been looking into this. But a bit afraid to do this because it may void the Acura powertrain warranty?
legally modifications can only void the warranty to the extent that they can claim that any damage stemmed from the modification. For example, if you install a 3000W sound system, and try to make a warranty claim on your alternator, they can say you voided the warranty... but that same sound system can't void the warranty on the engine.

a catch can shouldn't have any ill effect on the engine
legally modifications can only void the warranty to the extent that they can claim that any damage stemmed from the modification. For example, if you install a 3000W sound system, and try to make a warranty claim on your alternator, they can say you voided the warranty... but that same sound system can't void the warranty on the engine.

a catch can shouldn't have any ill effect on the engine
I am with you on "shouldn't" cause any problems with the warranty, but they can. I have a Ford Raptor right now and have seen multiple people on the forums have challenges with dealers honoring their warranties due to catch cans. It makes no sense as I think a catch can benefits the motor, as would most mechanics. If the dealer wants to be difficult, you will have to spend the time, energy, and potentially money proving that the mod did not cause the failure. A good dealer would treat you right, but get the wrong tech on the wrong day and you are guilty until you prove you are innocent. I love catch cans for what they do, but there is a risk on the warranty side of things.
Couple of things:

1) Biggest concern with a catch can is if that gunk freezes and plugs up the PCV system. THAT IS A BAD THING. If that happens you can pressurize the crankcase and push oil and seals out of the engine. Ugly, bad, and very damaging.

2) One of the dealer techs from the Honda Pilot forums has said repeatedly that the valve timing of the J35 tends to discourage the build up and it works unless you just absolutely baby the car and only drive it on short trips.

Personally I'd probably leave it alone and not worry about it, but I am curious to see how it works out.
Couple of things:

1) Biggest concern with a catch can is if that gunk freezes and plugs up the PCV system. THAT IS A BAD THING. If that happens you can pressurize the crankcase and push oil and seals out of the engine. Ugly, bad, and very damaging.

2) One of the dealer techs from the Honda Pilot forums has said repeatedly that the valve timing of the J35 tends to discourage the build up and it works unless you just absolutely baby the car and only drive it on short trips.

Personally I'd probably leave it alone and not worry about it, but I am curious to see how it works out.
The catch can will highly unlikely freeze, in all the cars that I've had them on, this have never happened. The tubes are at the top of the can and any oil is stuck at the bottom so even if the bottom did freeze (oil and gas don't freeze), there is still vacuum going through the top. What is bad is all that oil could have been gunked up on your valves and intake manifold. As for dealer tech saying this or that, not all techs are created equal and maybe there won't be issues with or without using one but all I can say is that I prevented blowby oil/gas from re-entering. I don't see how timing will prevent oil that re-enters the system and not building on top of the intake valves.
No widespread issues with carbon build up on the 3rd gen MDXs, TLXs, Odysseys, Pilots, Ridgelines with this same engine on any of the forums I've seen. Just proactive people putting in catch cans preventatively, but no complaints from the high mileage members without them.
I'll just keep driving mine like normal and will walnut blast the carbon if it ever becomes an issue.
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The catch can will highly unlikely freeze, in all the cars that I've had them on, this have never happened. The tubes are at the top of the can and any oil is stuck at the bottom so even if the bottom did freeze (oil and gas don't freeze), there is still vacuum going through the top. What is bad is all that oil could have been gunked up on your valves and intake manifold. As for dealer tech saying this or that, not all techs are created equal and maybe there won't be issues with or without using one but all I can say is that I prevented blowby oil/gas from re-entering. I don't see how timing will prevent oil that re-enters the system and not building on top of the intake valves.
Well there is a ton of moisture generated as a by product of combustion. A large portion of the gunk that gets caught in the catch can is typically water. I'm not saying it will happen, just saying if it does it's potentially quite bad. BMW had problems with this back in the 2000's and I think ended up actually putting a heater on the oil separator before they just incorporated it into the valve cover. So - it's possible. Search for "frozen ccv" if you're interested.

Regarding the logic I think it's something to do with how long it's left open where a little bit of fuel from the DI escapes out of the intake valve in some situations and helps. I'm no expert and didn't entirely grasp the details of how / why, but I do know Audi is doing something similar with the EA888 Gen3b engine to try to reduce the issues with it and apparently it does help. The Honda V6's aren't really known for build up so whatever they're doing does tend to work.

Again not knocking what you're doing - just throwing out some thoughts and a caution on it.
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Due to having Honda/Acura in the past and knowing how the VCM may pose an issue I've went ahead and installed one of these. I saw it on the Pilot forum and I can say after a few hundred miles, it catches oil that normally blow by your pistons and gets sucked back into the intake causing gum up. What's worse is that the engine uses direct injection so the fuel does not clean the valves no matter what tier gas you use.


I mounted it to an L bracket that I made with aluminum stock, drilled a hole and mounted it with one of the motor mount bolts. I don't have any pictures but used this forum, start with post #16.


This will keep your intake valves and manifold a little cleaner, how much I don't know but when I pour what it catches out, it gives me a good feeling that it didn't get sucked back into the engine. Hope this helps.
So my initial reaction when I read this post was one of skepticism, sort of like if this is so simple and such a good idea, why doesn't Acura simply add this to their engines. So I decided to educate myself on the topic of catch cans. Below is what I came across:


Why Auto Manufactures do not include Oil Catch Can?
Posted by on 1/23/2019


"Any modified performance car that you see will have some sort of oil catch can on them. Oil Catch cans are placed by the car owners themselves which beg the question of why do the car manufacturers choose not to place an oil catch can in the vehicles. Any GDI Engines benefits greatly from Oil Catch Can let alone a performance vehicle. If you understand the purpose of a catch can you can say there is a good argument for automakers to place catch cans in their engines no matter if it is a performance vehicle or not. As PCV systems suck the pressure out of the crankcase, it also draws out a fine mist of oil which is then included in the air/fuel intake charge. Although you might not notice any performance loss in a stock engine, the blow-by created by GDI Engines can lead to reduced combustion, fouled spark plugs, detonation, a dirty throttle body/intake manifold, and it can even lower the fuel efficiency. This type of damage over time with blow-by will cost you thousands of dollars in repair cost.

There are auto manufacturers that provide products to address the blow-by problem. This is usually still considered an aftermarket product and done under a different name or within the "performance" division. Vehicles owners still mismanage regular oil changes. It may not be you the reader but let's face it consumers of vehicles do have a problem remembering that vehicles need attention and maintenance. Adding another "chore" for vehicle owners is just another maintenance concern for a vehicle owner to add to the list. And to the main reason (personal opinion only), even though auto manufacturers know that there is a blow-by problem with modern engines that does not mean they want or will run out to fix it. Remember blow-by damage is done over time. It is not something that shows immediately. An auto manufacturer does not want you to purchase a vehicle and keep it for the lifetime of the car. They want you to buy more cars from them.

An Oil Catch Can not only helps with the longevity of your engine but it also helps in performance. So the question is if you spent forty thousand dollars on a vehicle how much is it worth to spend to maintain performance of that vehicle."


I know Acura (and other manufacturers are there to make a profit) but are they really this cynical and uncaring for their customers? Perhaps I am more naïve than I thought.
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I've used this for years in the J35 and the amount of blow by I seen at every oil change makes me feel better that it's not going back into the manifold. I'm not saying there is going to be a problem as mentioned in the original post but it's preventative. And while moisture is a "by product" if any, it's not going the freeze, especially mixed in with a majority of oil. If this was the case, other lines in the vehicle would freeze. Again, do your own thing.
No widespread issues with carbon build up on the 3rd gen MDXs, TLXs, Odysseys, Pilots, Ridgelines with this same engine on any of the forums I've seen. Just proactive people putting in catch cans preventative, but no complaints from the high mileage members without them.
I'll just keep driving mine like normal and will walnut blast the carbon if it ever becomes an issue.
Never said there were widespread issues. There are no complaints form the high mileage members without them but there are also no complaints from members with them either. For less than $35 and a piece of mind of a cleaner intake and intake valves (which btw can't be cleaned with any off the shelf fuel system cleaners), it's a no brainer.
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One more thing to consider, depending on where you live, a catch can may cause you to fail vehicle emissions inspection. Here in commifornia there is a visual inspection of the emissions system, and any mods are a fail. (good news, some inspectors don't know/care enough to call you out on it)
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I've used this for years in the J35 and the amount of blow by I seen at every oil change makes me feel better that it's not going back into the manifold. I'm not saying there is going to be a problem as mentioned in the original post but it's preventative. And while moisture is a "by product" if any, it's not going the freeze, especially mixed in with a majority of oil. If this was the case, other lines in the vehicle would freeze. Again, do your own thing.
I've done my research and was just trying to share constructively just like you were. Like everything in life there are pros and cons to everything. Truly NOT trying to argue in the slightest. If you live in the south I'm sure it's not even a concern. If you live in North Western Canada it's very possibly a big thing. Heck piston airplanes have a breather hose that goes from the top of the crank case and sticks out the bottom of the aircraft and even that can freeze to form a plug in certain conditions. There's a lot more moisture in there than you might think. Here is a catch can manufacture talking about them freezing.

anyone know how to remove the airbox on top of the engine? i can try myself but if anyone did already would be simple... so i can install my catch can
So my initial reaction when I read this post was one of skepticism, sort of like if this is so simple and such a good idea, why doesn't Acura simply add this to their engines. So I decided to educate myself on the topic of catch cans. Below is what I came across:


Why Auto Manufactures do not include Oil Catch Can?
Posted by on 1/23/2019


"Any modified performance car that you see will have some sort of oil catch can on them. Oil Catch cans are placed by the car owners themselves which beg the question of why do the car manufacturers choose not to place an oil catch can in the vehicles. Any GDI Engines benefits greatly from Oil Catch Can let alone a performance vehicle. If you understand the purpose of a catch can you can say there is a good argument for automakers to place catch cans in their engines no matter if it is a performance vehicle or not. As PCV systems suck the pressure out of the crankcase, it also draws out a fine mist of oil which is then included in the air/fuel intake charge. Although you might not notice any performance loss in a stock engine, the blow-by created by GDI Engines can lead to reduced combustion, fouled spark plugs, detonation, a dirty throttle body/intake manifold, and it can even lower the fuel efficiency. This type of damage over time with blow-by will cost you thousands of dollars in repair cost.

There are auto manufacturers that provide products to address the blow-by problem. This is usually still considered an aftermarket product and done under a different name or within the "performance" division. Vehicles owners still mismanage regular oil changes. It may not be you the reader but let's face it consumers of vehicles do have a problem remembering that vehicles need attention and maintenance. Adding another "chore" for vehicle owners is just another maintenance concern for a vehicle owner to add to the list. And to the main reason (personal opinion only), even though auto manufacturers know that there is a blow-by problem with modern engines that does not mean they want or will run out to fix it. Remember blow-by damage is done over time. It is not something that shows immediately. An auto manufacturer does not want you to purchase a vehicle and keep it for the lifetime of the car. They want you to buy more cars from them.

An Oil Catch Can not only helps with the longevity of your engine but it also helps in performance. So the question is if you spent forty thousand dollars on a vehicle how much is it worth to spend to maintain performance of that vehicle."


I know Acura (and other manufacturers are there to make a profit) but are they really this cynical and uncaring for their customers? Perhaps I am more naïve than I thought.
Pure propoganda written by a catch can manufacturer to make you think it's needed.

The PCV system in most cars already adequately prevents blowby.

The wise poster on this thread wrote "there are no examples of excessive carbon build up on high mileage 3rd gen cars, just walnut blast the intake valves when it happens."

You are spending $300-400 to maybe prevent a problem that might show up 1 time in the duration you own the car if you put a lot of highway miles on. And even then its $800-1k to get the valves cleaned.

If you put that $400 in VOO you would probably have more than $1k by the time you actually have any issue.
I've done my research and was just trying to share constructively just like you were. Like everything in life there are pros and cons to everything. Truly NOT trying to argue in the slightest. If you live in the south I'm sure it's not even a concern. If you live in North Western Canada it's very possibly a big thing. Heck piston airplanes have a breather hose that goes from the top of the crank case and sticks out the bottom of the aircraft and even that can freeze to form a plug in certain conditions. There's a lot more moisture in there than you might think. Here is a catch can manufacture talking about them freezing.

Most of the fluid caught in catch cans is not even oil. Catch cans are a scam that just creates more maintenance headache of having to check it and empty it. (outside of racing where you would rather upgrade the PCV system anyway)
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Due to having Honda/Acura in the past and knowing how the VCM may pose an issue I've went ahead and installed one of these. I saw it on the Pilot forum and I can say after a few hundred miles, it catches oil that normally blow by your pistons and gets sucked back into the intake causing gum up. What's worse is that the engine uses direct injection so the fuel does not clean the valves no matter what tier gas you use.


I mounted it to an L bracket that I made with aluminum stock, drilled a hole and mounted it with one of the motor mount bolts. I don't have any pictures but used this forum, start with post #16.


This will keep your intake valves and manifold a little cleaner, how much I don't know but when I pour what it catches out, it gives me a good feeling that it didn't get sucked back into the engine. Hope this helps.
Hi usmarinedelta
I'm planning to add an oil catch can as well, could you send a few pics of how you connected the hoses? I know the PCV valve hose goes into the can then out to the intake but first time Honda/Acura owner here, having trouble find the ports of the PCV and intake on the J35 engine specially with the new cover on the Gen 4 MDX.

Did you have to remove the all the black plastic/intake on top of the engine when you install? I'm also trying to find a service manual exploded diagram but not being able to so far other than the need to subscribe Honda Service Information System.
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