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Is Stupidity Destroying America?

Looking at this forum and other examples of popular opinion in this country, the answer would have to be yes.

The recent proliferation of neo-Christian "patriots", so quick to denigrate those that don't blindly embrace the dubious achievements of a barely elected president, and continue to support said imposter's administration as it flouts international opinion and law, would surely indicate that we are well on our way to becoming a nation of idiots.

The same morons that support our president also think that we should take a big step backward and criminalize abortion. How is that for progressive, intelligent thought?

While our countrymen die and the economy tanks they still feel it's imperative to keep prayer in our public schools. It's like a script from some absurd gothic drama, only it's real; it's our country, wallowing in absolute stupidity.

So pay $3.00 for a gallon of gas and send your kids to a substandard public school (maybe it will create more idiots!). Criticize the opposing candidate for whatever lies the incumbent's ad men have fabricated in this week's campaign message. Fly your flags and point your fingers at those Americans that still have the brains and balls to question where we went wrong and what it will take to set our course right.

Just try not to be so stupid.
 

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Okay BostonX, I think it's time for you to come out of that little shell of yours, cut loose, and tell us what you really think. :2:
 

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BostonX said:
Looking at this forum and other examples of popular opinion in this country, the answer would have to be yes.

The recent proliferation of neo-Christian "patriots", so quick to denigrate those that don't blindly embrace the dubious achievements of a barely elected president, and continue to support said imposter's administration as it flouts international opinion and law, would surely indicate that we are well on our way to becoming a nation of idiots.

The same morons that support our president also think that we should take a big step backward and criminalize abortion. How is that for progressive, intelligent thought?

While our countrymen die and the economy tanks they still feel it's imperative to keep prayer in our public schools. It's like a script from some absurd gothic drama, only it's real; it's our country, wallowing in absolute stupidity.

So pay $3.00 for a gallon of gas and send your kids to a substandard public school (maybe it will create more idiots!). Criticize the opposing candidate for whatever lies the incumbent's ad men have fabricated in this week's campaign message. Fly your flags and point your fingers at those Americans that still have the brains and balls to question where we went wrong and what it will take to set our course right.

Just try not to be so stupid.
There used to be a saying that went something like " if your not part of the solution you are part of the problem". Well so whats your solution?

Maybe this site will help you.

http://www.coping.org/relations/martyr.htm
 

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BostonX,
Kind of ironic but you misspelled stupidity in your thread title!:D
 

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The same morons that support our president also think that we should take a big step backward and criminalize abortion. How is that for progressive, intelligent thought?
It's pure bigotry and ignorance to attack a particular group so broadly and undiscriminantly. The "morons" that support President Bush was/is at least 50% of the American public. They include Christians (from every denomination), non-Christians (all different religions), the non-religious, doctors, lawyers, and Ivy League Ph.D.'s to the average American citizen.

Just because a person holds a different view doesn't mean that person is smarter or less intelligent (i.e., a moron) than the other.
 

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fatherlu said:

The "morons" that support President Bush was/is at least 50% of the American public.
Father, your view is well stated, except that this President was *not* elected by at least 50%.

This one was purely an "electoral" victory, and that was after he very narrowly won in the state where his own brother rules the roost. If you recall, that state was "blue" before it flipped to "red" after the hanging chad debacle.

Maybe it would be more accurate to state that the "morons" were at least 50% of the electoral college?

FWIW, polls indicate George W's support is now at the lowest point ever and still falling.
 

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To simply answer the question..

YES!..

It will not only happen in the US, also the world!

If people start to just believe everything they are told, the world will be closer to it's end...

Well.. It's end maybe means just end of human..

Oh well.. everyone dies anyways..

Right?

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BostonX said:
Looking at this forum and other examples of popular opinion in this country, the answer would have to be yes.

The recent proliferation of neo-Christian "patriots", so quick to denigrate those that don't blindly embrace the dubious achievements of a barely elected president, and continue to support said imposter's administration as it flouts international opinion and law, would surely indicate that we are well on our way to becoming a nation of idiots.

The same morons that support our president also think that we should take a big step backward and criminalize abortion. How is that for progressive, intelligent thought?

While our countrymen die and the economy tanks they still feel it's imperative to keep prayer in our public schools. It's like a script from some absurd gothic drama, only it's real; it's our country, wallowing in absolute stupidity.

So pay $3.00 for a gallon of gas and send your kids to a substandard public school (maybe it will create more idiots!). Criticize the opposing candidate for whatever lies the incumbent's ad men have fabricated in this week's campaign message. Fly your flags and point your fingers at those Americans that still have the brains and balls to question where we went wrong and what it will take to set our course right.

Just try not to be so stupid.
Ahhh... I love the smell of broiling liberal in the morning!
 

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BostonX,
Kind of ironic but you misspelled stupidity in your thread title!:D
Thanks for catching that!

I was drunk when I posted. That and having watched the 11 minute memoriam on 60 Minutes got me all passionate and pissed off.

I consider myself a proud patriot and I'm deeply saddened and angered by the direction this country is heading.

My solution? I'm raising my two children to be intelligent, free-thinking individuals with a deep appreciation for the beauty and the history of this country.
 

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As for the electoral college: I understand the process...won't comment on the matter though...I'll just leave it as is.

As for this thread: This is a sincere question. How do people define intelligence or being intelligent?

From some posting...not just limited to this thread...it seems as though intelligence or being intelligent is more "favorable" when it agrees with a set of positions belonging to the commentator on that subject.

I'm sure it's a combination of things...but I would guess that intelligence has to be quantifiable to a certain extent. Perhaps it's IQ scores, academic degrees achieved, professional status, etc. It's circular and fruitless reasoning to bash or comment on another person's intelligence without some parameters.

So, if intelligence is holding to a particular set of views...and I don't hold those views...I suppose I would be classified as "not intelligent" by the classifier. However, if intelligence is defined by common social acceptable methods such as IQ, academic degrees achieved, peer recognition of such, etc...then that would be a more interesting subject for discussion.
 

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This is hilarious, BostonX....

Do you even realize that the so called neo-christian pariots are a small minority of the electorate? Most of us republicans are pro free enterprise, pro capitalism, pro liberty voters who hate the modern day democrat party's quasi-socialist agenda. We believe in right to choose , most freedoms to be anything you want, but do not want an empowered government which creates a dependency class, welfare like society and taxes you to death. If I were you, I'd avoid the education issue because that is about the most clearcut issue where liberals are the ones who shoulder the blame for sub standard schools. Why do you think they are against competency training for teachers? Maybe that they are in the pockets of the teachers' unions? How about emphasizing Heather's two mommies instead of math and sciences? And, don't give me the same old line about education spending. Systems that spend $6-7K per student do better than NYC and D.C. systems where they are spending upwards of $12K per pupil. Education is a state issue and liberal states do much worse than conservative ones in general.
 

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BostonX said:
My solution? I'm raising my two children to be intelligent, free-thinking individuals with a deep appreciation for the beauty and the history of this country.
I applaud your open-mindedness in raising your kids as moderate republicans :D
 

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BostonX said:


Thanks for catching that!

I was drunk when I posted. That and having watched the 11 minute memoriam on 60 Minutes got me all passionate and pissed off.

I consider myself a proud patriot and I'm deeply saddened and angered by the direction this country is heading.

My solution? I'm raising my two children to be intelligent, free-thinking individuals with a deep appreciation for the beauty and the history of this country.
You're not alone in the way you feel. Your statement reminded me of what the director of a new institute of theoretical physics located in Waterloo, Ontario had to say. He is currently trying to lure some of the world's top physics minds to the new institute and he has said that G.W.Bush and the war in Iraq has made his job far easier. He even made a facetious remark that he would like to contribute to G.W. Bush's re-election campaign because Bush had made it easier for him to recruit the top minds to Canada. But then again, so would Osama bin Laden since Bush has been helping him too.

Here's the quote:

“Also aiding in recruiting is what has become a kind of subtext to academic life post- 9/11. Perimeter has taken on an allure for those who want to leave the United States because they disagree with the country's stand on the war in Iraq or for foreigners who fear that they will be subject to endless inspections as they travel back and forth.
"The political climate in the U.S. is making it easier for us to recruit and helps to counterbalance other things. So I sometimes joke that George Bush is making our life so much easier that I should donate to his campaign," Mr. Burton quips.”

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040410/PERIMETER10//?query=perimeter+institute
 

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BostonX said:
. . . My solution? I'm raising my two children to be intelligent, free-thinking individuals with a deep appreciation for the beauty and the history of this country.
Wait a minute, wasn't it the Lib Queen Billary that plagiarized the African proverb "It takes a whole village to raise a child?" If that's a Dem mantra, you alone can't make a difference, even with your own kids. That would mean an individual effort, working hard, independent of the environmental pressures, charting your own course, being committed to the individual making their own way without government-imposed social programs. Hmm. Methinks your'e a Hawk in a Dove's feathers :confused:
 

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Wait a minute, wasn't it the Lib Queen Billary that plagiarized the African proverb "It takes a whole village to raise a child?" If that's a Dem mantra, you alone can't make a difference, even with your own kids. That would mean an individual effort, working hard, independent of the environmental pressures, charting your own course, being committed to the individual making their own way without government-imposed social programs. Hmm. Methinks your'e a Hawk in a Dove's feathers :confused:
But does not a free-thinker have the option of more than 2 choices, or be able to integrate the positive aspects (in his perspective) of different sides?
What if Laura Bush had made the statement "It takes a village.."
Would that make it more valid? The individual hearing it has to decide if it is a valid concept for them or not regardless of who said it.
Not to confuse any value of the message, with whether one likes who is delivering it. That's not always easy to do, I know.
The last time I checked, no one had a monopoly on ideas even though many politicans would like to think they do. Ala Gore's internet....
 

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. . . What if Laura Bush had made the statement "It takes a village.."
Would that make it more valid? The individual hearing it has to decide if it is a valid concept for them or not regardless of who said it. . .
The last time I checked, no one had a monopoly on ideas even though many politicans would like to think they do. Ala Gore's internet....
Right on DaleB, it just seems to me that these folks (a la Billary and Algore) don't give credit where it is due, they claim it for themselves while promoting social welfare programs.
My earlier point was that BostonX was saying his "solution" was to "raise[ing] my two children to be intelligent, free-thinking individuals with a deep appreciation for the beauty and the history of this country." That is contrary to his admitted Dem approach, which would be to support social programs for the masses for his kids. While I admire anyone who will do all they can for their kids, I still think our kids should be encouraged to create an individual work ethic and strive for their fullest individual potential regardless of our political persuasions. You've done that, I've done that, BostonX is doing that. That's commendable, but it's certainly not the Dems answer to how they would run things.
 

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TheWorm said:
I applaud your open-mindedness in raising your kids as moderate republicans :D
Indeed!:trustme:
 

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Right on DaleB, it just seems to me that these folks (a la Billary and Algore) don't give credit where it is due, they claim it for themselves while promoting social welfare programs.
My earlier point was that BostonX was saying his "solution" was to "raise[ing] my two children to be intelligent, free-thinking individuals with a deep appreciation for the beauty and the history of this country." That is contrary to his admitted Dem approach, which would be to support social programs for the masses for his kids. While I admire anyone who will do all they can for their kids, I still think our kids should be encouraged to create an individual work ethic and strive for their fullest individual potential regardless of our political persuasions. You've done that, I've done that, BostonX is doing that. That's commendable, but it's certainly not the Dems answer to how they would run things.
I agree for the most part. The Donkeys and Elephants have had different ideas of how they would run things for a good hundred years. Some how a middle ground is always struck.
How people actually raise their children, etc. goes beyond that. If you get down to how most people live in the US and look at their values, they are not all that different.
I have traveled a lot and can tell you people are people. Sure there are regional differences, but they are small compared to what we all have in common.
As homogeneous as Japan, for example? No, not hardly. And I am thankful for that too. Sometimes you can have too much of one thing. We have lots of problems in this country, and even with all that who would want to live elsewhere? Not most of us I'm sure. Some things are very important, like national security, and I still believe we will always continue to hang together when it comes down to the line. Maybe I am too much an optimist, but the biggest changes I've seen over a half century have been for the better regardless of who thought they were running the country.
 

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Furthermore, I think the great gap between the 2 major parties is symptomatic of the people not getting what they want. They did not really want Gore, but not Bush either!
I think their votes were more to prevent the other from getting in than a real dedication to either one.
A Colin Powell - Joe Lieberman ticket would probably be what this country needs to close the great division we see now, and calm the waters. But it's not likely to happen any time soon.
Just my opinion. I think most the country is moderate Republican if you want it in political terms.
 
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