I have the feeling flying car is not too far (Seen some reports).I love it!
I hope I live long enough to have the EV -vs- flying vehicle debate or EV -vs- Star Trek transporters.
Imagine getting 355 Harnesses???Mrgold35, this one is for you
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Like the Jetsons.... I wonder where all the Electricity is coming from? That's the problem, all modes of transportation require Fuel of some sort.I have the feeling flying car is not too far (Seen some reports).
At least some small capacity in major cities.
I am sure flying cars will be EV
I have started a thread about Whether There is an EV In Your Future in the General Discussion portion of this Forum . The comments are very interesting and fascinating as well. Most people never bring up the fact that we don't have the Electric power for all the EVs planned (or "being shoved down our collective throats"). What EV is planned for apartment dwellers? They can't run electrical extension cords from the basements of buildings or their apartments?; What EVs will Plow the Snow, Pave the Roads, Fix the roads, Tow broken down cars, Farm the Land, Fly Jetliners, Make Space Flights (Mr. Bezos, Mr. Musk?), manufacture Lithium Batteries, Mine the Lithium [they don't use EVs for mining to my knowledge] and On and On... There is Much more to be considered here. I agree that we should be seeking and adding all alternative sources of energy for obvious benefits, but at a logical pace with complete examination of the consequences. Look at what is happening in Sri Lanka, Ghana, and now Germany (Wait, not enough LNG to provide heat this winter?? ). Germany has reawakened and is now going to re-open old Coal Plants !! But you won't see that on CNN.NO and No. EV is a joke right now. We don't even have a power grid to support everything on the road to charge, and on a trip to have to wait 2-3 hours to charge with a super charger no thanks.
Honestly ev is not the answer. Hydrogen would be a much better alternative by using ammonia going into the gas tank, and the car converts it back into hydrogen. We already have gas stations. Remove the 89 octane gas, use that tank for ammonia. Gas stations can sell 87,91 (CA is 91) and Diesel. On avg gas station will fill 2k cars a day. No way be able to charge that many vehicles. Trust me they're going to charge a ton of money for super charging. Super charging runs at 460 volts. No way a gas station can have that many chargers running at that current with our current power grids. For ev to run efficient like gas/diesel. Your talking 50 years or more to convert everything. Why does the media not talk about the child slave labor of mining the materials for these batteries in Africa? Remember blood diamonds? China labor honestly is no different. Trump was trying to make a difference in bringing labor back to the US and stop relying on China. The liberals attacked him and still are. He's man with balls and guts. Our current president is nothing more than a puppet that Jeff Dunham uses in comedyI have started a thread about Whether There is an EV In Your Future in the General Discussion portion of this Forum . The comments are very interesting and fascinating as well. Most people never bring up the fact that we don't have the Electric power for all the EVs planned (or "being shoved down our collective throats"). What EV is planned for apartment dwellers? They can't run electrical extension cords from the basements of buildings or their apartments?; What EVs will Plow the Snow, Pave the Roads, Fix the roads, Tow broken down cars, Farm the Land, Fly Jetliners, Make Space Flights (Mr. Bezos, Mr. Musk?), manufacture Lithium Batteries, Mine the Lithium [they don't use EVs for mining to my knowledge] and On and On... There is Much more to be considered here. I agree that we should be seeking and adding all alternative sources of energy for obvious benefits, but at a logical pace with complete examination of the consequences. Look at what is happening in Sri Lanka, Ghana, and now Germany (Wait, not enough LNG to provide heat this winter?? ). Germany has reawakened and is now going to re-open old Coal Plants !! But you won't see that on CNN.
The amount of Electricity to meet the needs of Electric Hungry populace (ever growing daily - see the Sothern border debacle), is almost incalculable.
Everyone should read this article. The range at 60-70 mph is startlingly low and the driver's weren't using A/C and running as many accessories as they could off their own independent battery power. Then when they got to charges, many didn't work or charged at much slower rates. Some of them took ubers to go get food while the cars charged. So IMO, the safe range based on this article for real world highway driving, if you want to enjoy the luxuries of your vehicle, is likely below 200 miles. So every 200 miles you're adding a minimum of 45 minutes to your trip.I found this article provided insight into the practical aspects of owning an electric vehicle right now if you're not just driving it locally:
The EV 1000: 11 EVs Face Off in a Long-Distance Race (Car and Driver)
It's not just a matter of charging stations. It's the fact that it still takes 30 minutes to 2 hours to charge the car at a supercharger. And right now there is no SUV or Truck that will really even get 300 miles with normal use. Under real world conditions, most electric vehicles are looking at less than 200 miles. Which is fine for a normal commuter car you charge at your home but terrible if you want to even venture a few hours away.I can add my 2c who once owned 2 MDX including 2019 Sports hybrid.
2017 Prius Prime plug-in with 25-35 miles range.
Finally Mustang Mach-e.
Mustang is BEV. 210 miles range in summer and with fast charge 20% to 80% in 40 minutes more than covers our needs.
if you don’t need 3 rows it’s an excellent small SUV.
Its also not about money only, though with high gas prices it’s great not to visit gas station .
Fun of driving Mustang and electronics are far better than what I had in 19 MDX.
If electric SUV had 400-500 miles range there would be very little need for ICE.
Not having an engine has big maintenance benefit, no oil change or emissions etc.
Within 5 years balance will flip with more charging stations being installed, particularly major cities.
California already tacks on a fee for EVs. $100 per year with their registration (which btw, is more than I pay for both my cars where I live). They're saying that fee is going to increase. And CA is testing a mileage tax (which they claim would replace the gas tax but call me skeptical that it wont be tacked on). In the car and driver article linked above, they didn't save much money. The supercharges cost less than gas...maybe as much as 50%. So gas driver is paying $200 and EV is paying $100 for a supercharger and spending 30 -120 minutes at a charger.Can we address the myth that hybrids and EVs are better for the environment? How much fossil fuel is burned to mine the material to make the batteries? What percentage of EVs are charged by fossil fuel electric plants? What is the environmental impact of battery/car disposal when recycling isn’t an option? What would he true cost of purchase and charging were it not for heavy tax payer funded subsidies? If not for the artificial inflation of gasoline prices how much less enthusiastic would hybrid and EV buyers be? I am in no way saying we shouldn’t be working on EV solutions, but at the moment and who knows how far into the future we are nowhere near a real economical solution and we will need a per mile charge or tax on electric to replace the gasoline tax that currently funds infrastructure creation and repair. Even at $6 gas if the true cost of hybrids and EVs were delivered to the users the sales rate would be far less than what it is.
I kinda see EVs now like any tech for early adopters. It is going to take decades to work out the "bugs" for the general public acceptance. No way my newly graduated son from college could afford a BEV now at their current prices. I see it as my job to support and invest into the technology and push improvements because I have the time, lifestyle, and money to do so. Just like I did in the late 80s with my old pre-286 computer with monochrome screen, no internet, 20mb of hard-disk space, and dot matrix printer. I can see my son purchasing a BEV in +2030 for ICE avg price now, charging at home/work/businesses, and having options for traveling with a nationwide charging network.For me I see myself as an industry outsider, no experience with batteries nor powerline construction, etc.
Each time I buy a car it will be an independent review of the cost/benefit of available powertrains. At this point the EV tech is clearly not ready for use as a primary family car, only a second commuter car or a second green showoff car. Or for non family drivers who have the extra time that EV ownership requires.
I have nothing against EV's conceptually, I always buy CPO and prefer Acura so don't have to think about EV's until maybe 2027. My expectation is that ICE will be a nobrainer decision then as I predict electric refueling costs will exceed gas costs due to an insufficient power grid, but we'll see. Maybe on par if government subsidizes the battery costs and enough PHEVs are on the road that can switch to gas to alleviate the grid, but that would be a best case for EV sales then.
I'm not one to say never. I've lived too long to know better. What I can say is at this moment of time, I've taken an EV out of consideration because of the drawbacks. I do think there are some real advantages although I don't think charging at home is one of them (it takes 5 minutes to gas a car). I do think there is a real issue with ALL electric after seeing the Ford Lightning. That is an awesome truck. But 150 miles when towing (and presumably when carrying a load)??? And a 12 hour recharge time? That's not practical.I hear A LOT of complaining; but, limited pathways for compromise and solutions. I don't live in California and never will. The great thing about Cali going EV is they can be a test bed for the rest of the country as they work out the bugs for the other 49 states. Pretty much every environmental and power infrastructure issue can be found in that state (extreme heat/cold, snow, rain, long travel distances, congestion, lacking power grid, etc...).
In Europe the electric recharging costs are approaching fuel costs. And that's what I expect here. Those who can afford solar will do that but those who can't will pay more for the car and more to charge it.Each time I buy a car it will be an independent review of the cost/benefit of available powertrains. At this point the EV tech is clearly not ready for use as a primary family car, only a second commuter car or a second green showoff car. Or for non family drivers who have the extra time that EV ownership requires.
I have nothing against EV's conceptually, I always buy CPO and prefer Acura so don't have to think about EV's until maybe 2027. My expectation is that ICE will be a nobrainer decision then as I predict electric refueling costs will exceed gas costs due to an insufficient power grid, but we'll see. Maybe on par if government subsidizes the battery costs and enough PHEVs are on the road that can switch to gas to alleviate the grid, but that would be a best case for EV sales then.