Taking oil change advice from a Mechanic is like getting surgery from a nursing assistant.
First oil change - when to have it completed?
Hi all,
I did search, but didn't find anything conclusive.
The dealer stated 7500 miles would be oil change #1. Just want to know if that is correct or if i should have it done sooner?
Thanks!
I did search, but didn't find anything conclusive.
The dealer stated 7500 miles would be oil change #1. Just want to know if that is correct or if i should have it done sooner?
Thanks!
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I can't agree with your comparison. I have found a very trustworthy local mechanic. I trust in his professional recommendation he makes for my cars. I provide professional IT advice to people. They pay me to share my experience.Taking oil change advice from a Mechanic is like getting surgery from a nursing assistant.
How are you comparing mechanic to nursing assistant?
You do you buddy, just telling you that your mechanic doesn't really know anything about how the engine is designed and why the oil change interval and oil spec is chosen.
Changing oil at accelerated intervals on normal cars is pointless and wasteful.
Changing oil at accelerated intervals on normal cars is pointless and wasteful.
You do you buddy, just telling you that your mechanic doesn't really know anything about how the engine is designed and why the oil change interval and oil spec is chosen.
Changing oil at accelerated intervals on normal cars is pointless and wasteful.
Good morning Ian.You do you buddy, just telling you that your mechanic doesn't really know anything about how the engine is designed and why the oil change interval and oil spec is chosen.
Changing oil at accelerated intervals on normal cars is pointless and wasteful.
I'm trying to have a healthy discussion with you.
Auto mechanic's don't have to be a engine architect or engineer to know how to take care of the engine.
I believe auto mechanics would be the best person to know how to maintain an engine since they are the one who sees the issue first hand when they have issues. They use their professional experience and knowledge to determine if it is best to replace/fix the engine with the problem. I understand there are mechanics who prioritize making money rather than providing sound recommendation. That is why I have spend the time to find a trustworthy mechanic.
I would think they would be the best one's to provide recommendations for oil change intervals and oil specs since they see the results of people not taking care of their cars.
"Changing oil at accelerated intervals on normal cars is pointless and wasteful." Yes, agree with you if you are planning to sell the car after 5-6 years.
That would not be the case if you plan to own the car 10+ years. I would rather spend extra few hundred dollars for oil and filter change than risking of replacing or fixing an engine for few thousand dollars.
Just sharing my thoughts. 🙂
Wow IanCH and I are 100% aligned on something haha!Changing oil at accelerated intervals on normal cars is pointless and wasteful.
The only problem with the logic is that it is likely a fallacy to assume that doubling the oil changes will dramatically extend the engine life. As I said earlier, how many people put that many miles on their cars even in 10-15 years where the engine just "dies" because the owner only changed the oil at the recommended interval and not more often. So by doing it at 50% or even 70% remaining oil life "just because" (or for some of us, because we are just bored and need another excuse to do something on our toys) you are just spending more money and wasting oil too. Many many many people have found that even at the recommended intervals the oil is perfectly fine and so they actually go the other direction and EXTEND their intervals and then watch Blackstone labs (and still find the oil is okay). Since you are just running untethered to any real data then it becomes a slippery slope. Why not change oil every 1000 miles then? By definition we can all afford that too. At some point maybe the silliness is apparentThat would not be the case if you plan to own the car 10+ years. I would rather spend extra few hundred dollars for oil and filter change than risking of replacing or fixing an engine for few thousand dollars.
Just sharing my thoughts. 🙂
I wonder if all the engine oil gurus have ever heard about low tension compression rings? Exhaust gas blow by and engine oil burning problems after 50k miles or so? Like owners of BMW, Audi, WV, Toyota, Acura and other automakers experience pretty often. Do you know changing oil more often can safe your car from consuming oil. No oil test will show damaged done due carbon buildup on piston rings.
Just throwing some info. no need to replay.
Oh also how bad oil dilution with 3.0T engine. Is it like 2.0t Honda engine or better, or worse?
Just throwing some info. no need to replay.
Oh also how bad oil dilution with 3.0T engine. Is it like 2.0t Honda engine or better, or worse?
Silliness is throwing extreme examples in these threads....surprised you didn't say every 200 miles.Why not change oil every 1000 miles then? By definition we can all afford that too. At some point maybe the silliness is apparent
I don't think there is anybody in any one of these threads where people say they will change oil every 1000 miles.
There are actually high power applications that can require oil changes every 1000-3000 miles. But its not even remotely close to this car, talking about fully built motors with upgraded turbochargers pushing over 110hp per cylinder.
The maintenance minder is all you need guys, stop using tricks you learned in the 70's-90's when dead dinos lubed your pistons.
The maintenance minder is all you need guys, stop using tricks you learned in the 70's-90's when dead dinos lubed your pistons.
Ian, agreed re regular intervals but this thread is specifically for first oil change and I don't think there is need to give people grief because they want to "dump" it after 1000 miles.There are actually high power applications that can require oil changes every 1000-3000 miles. But its not even remotely close to this car, talking about fully built motors with upgraded turbochargers pushing over 110hp per cylinder.
The maintenance minder is all you need guys, stop using tricks you learned in the 70's-90's when dead dinos lubed your pistons.
Everyone can do as they wish, this is 'Murica after all. My example wasnt THAT silly as someone literally just posted here that they were changing the oil at 70% remaining on the MM because it was "after the winter." Has that now become a thing where "winter oil" needs to be flushed out as the weather turns warmer?Silliness is throwing extreme examples in these threads....surprised you didn't say every 200 miles.
I don't think there is anybody in any one of these threads where people say they will change oil every 1000 miles.
As Ian said why not just follow the recommendation from Acura? The owners manual doesn't call for an early initial "break in oil change" right? If it needed it wouldn't they specify it? My view is that this is just a hobby thing for people and they rationalize it into a "need" based on the old shade tree mechanic advice that keeps getting passed along on the internet.
If you watch the video I posted earlier in the thread, the only thing that you are getting out by flushing early in modern engines is silicone from sealing mfg process. It's not harmful and it's not metal.
The factory oil flush could be justified if you wanted to change to a higher viscosity oil spec. that might actually make a small amount of sense.
The factory oil flush could be justified if you wanted to change to a higher viscosity oil spec. that might actually make a small amount of sense.
I've watched plenty of videos not long ago from mechanics doing initial drain on BMWs and Skoda's out of factory, plenty of glitter in both.If you watch the video I posted earlier in the thread, the only thing that you are getting out by flushing early in modern engines is silicone from sealing mfg process. It's not harmful and it's not metal.
The factory oil flush could be justified if you wanted to change to a higher viscosity oil spec. that might actually make a small amount of sense.
I change every 5-6K but will always dump the initial oil before 1K - That's just me.
'Murica it still is.Everyone can do as they wish, this is 'Murica after all. My example wasnt THAT silly as someone literally just posted here that they were changing the oil at 70% remaining on the MM because it was "after the winter." Has that now become a thing where "winter oil" needs to be flushed out as the weather turns warmer?
As Ian said why not just follow the recommendation from Acura? The owners manual doesn't call for an early initial "break in oil change" right? If it needed it wouldn't they specify it? My view is that this is just a hobby thing for people and they rationalize it into a "need" based on the old shade tree mechanic advice that keeps getting passed along on the internet.
I no longer believe that the manufacturer/dealer or pretty much any corporate entity has your interest in mind when it comes to longevity of anything sold to you today.
When you buy your next Pilot, drain it after 1000 miles and look at that oil. My Odyssey's oil after 5K miles is cleaner than what was drained after a about 1200 INITIAL miles from the MDX.
I just went over 1000 on the new Pilot. Now you have me scratching my chin wondering hmmm, should I? Do you know if people send those 1000 mile initial dumps to Blackstone for Honda engines and if Blackstone sees an alarming level of metal?'Murica it still is.
I no longer believe that the manufacturer/dealer or pretty much any corporate entity has your interest in mind when it comes to longevity of anything sold to you today.
When you buy your next Pilot, drain it after 1000 miles and look at that oil. My Odyssey's oil after 5K miles is cleaner than what was drained after a about 1200 INITIAL miles from the MDX.
Also doesn't the oil filter capture any shavings of worry? So the sparkles are going to be so tiny and so suspended in the lubricating oil that they don't do much to worry about? I am not an expert but curious here
They arent even in the circulating oil, just sitting in the oil pan.
Ah okay good. So a little layer that finds its way to the bottom of the pan as sparklies and then they come out in the drain and we get the sparkly oil change that makes people assume they made the right call to change it at 1000 miles.They arent even in the circulating oil, just sitting in the oil pan.
Do you know if the factory uses normal 0w-20 oil? (versus any sort of "break in oil" that includes any additional additives to help with the break in process?). Also I assume it is fair to say that with more advanced manufacturing techniques the break in itself is faster and produces less metal shavings etc?
In one of the videos i watched, new BMW X5, they showed small metal shavings in the creases of the oil filter. I think its the beemer because they didnt have to cut open the filter.I just went over 1000 on the new Pilot. Now you have me scratching my chin wondering hmmm, should I? Do you know if people send those 1000 mile initial dumps to Blackstone for Honda engines and if Blackstone sees an alarming level of metal?
Also doesn't the oil filter capture any shavings of worry? So the sparkles are going to be so tiny and so suspended in the lubricating oil that they don't do much to worry about? I am not an expert but curious here
I'm curious, take out the dip stick at 1000 miles on your pilot, is it clean like new oil?
That's a fair assumption but these parts are meant to break in and "mesh" together on any new or rebuilt engine.. Also I assume it is fair to say that with more advanced manufacturing techniques the break in itself is faster and produces less metal shavings etc?
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