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Hi all,

I posted the following links on the mileage thread about this class action lawsuit. However, after looking into some more it appears to be legit and I thought it deserved it's own post.

I found out about the class action lawsuit as I was searching for issues on the 3rd Gen Acura TL as I am considering buying a used one. I ran across a post on Carcomplaints.com. Found that the issue we face on our MDX also affected the TL. Separate research today showed a page dedicated to the complaint by one of the law firms listed: HBS LAW. On this page you can add your name to their list. Hopefully a fixed bluetooth unit comes out of this sometime before I replace my MDX. If you guys post on other forums for other cars that have a similar issue make sure to spread the word like on a TL site.

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Hi all,

I posted the following links on the mileage thread about this class action lawsuit. However, after looking into some more it appears to be legit and I thought it deserved it's own post.

I found out about the class action lawsuit as I was searching for issues on the 3rd Gen Acura TL as I am considering buying a used one. I ran across a post on Carcomplaints.com. Found that the issue we face on our MDX also affected the TL. Separate research today showed a page dedicated to the complaint by one of the law firms listed: HBS LAW. On this page you can add your name to their list. Hopefully a fixed bluetooth unit comes out of this sometime before I replace my MDX. If you guys post on other forums for other cars that have a similar issue make sure to spread the word like on a TL site.

Regards,

Jay
Interesting- here's a link to this news story:

Hagens Berman: Acura Owners File Class-Action Lawsuit against Honda for Battery-Draining Bluetooth HandsFreeLink Defect | Business Wire
 

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https://hbsslaw.com/cases/honda-acura-handsfreelink-defect

Case update it is proceeding to discovery! Honda knew about it since 2005 with older models not just "X"s.

DEFENDANT NAME: American Honda Motor Company Inc.
CASE NUMBER: 16-cv-04507
COURT: U.S. District Court for the Central District of California
PRACTICE AREA: Automotive Litigation, Consumer Rights
STATUS: Active
DATE FILED: 06/22/16
KEY ATTORNEYS:
Steve W. Berman
Catherine Y.N. Gannon
Christopher R. Pitoun
RELATED DOCUMENTS:
Order Granting in Part and Denying in Part Defendant's Motion to Dismiss 04/25/17
Amended Complaint 10/17/16
Complaint 08/03/16
CONTACT:
206-623-7292
[email protected]
CASE UPDATE

Judge Jon S. Tigar, of the Northern District of California, recently denied (download Judge Tigar's Order) in large part Honda’s requests to dismiss plaintiffs’ claims—representing a big win for consumers. In doing so, Judge Tigar found it was plausible that the HandsFree Link defect posed a safety risk because drained batteries could cause the car to stop unexpectedly on the road. He also found that plaintiffs have adequately plead that Acura/Honda knew about the relationship between the HandsFree Link and drained batteries as early as 2005, but withheld this information from consumers. With this decision, a large number of Plaintiffs’ claims are allowed to continue.

Plaintiffs anticipate filing an amended complaint by July 2017, which will update some of the allegations at issue, and are eager to move forward with the discovery process in order to build on the momentum of this recent win.
 

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holy shnikes! i just came across this thread and read the link.

this is crazy as our BT/HFL in our 2009 MDX hasn't worked for some time now. no way to pair, BT not recognized, nada. i have no interest in paying the cost to repair and replace the unit....BUT recently our MDX has died here and there randomly requiring jump starts alot more frequently.

AAA comes up jumps it and confirms the battery is in great shape too. now i read the article and BAM! i just signed up at the link provided above.
 

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holy shnikes! i just came across this thread and read the link.

this is crazy as our BT/HFL in our 2009 MDX hasn't worked for some time now. no way to pair, BT not recognized, nada. i have no interest in paying the cost to repair and replace the unit....BUT recently our MDX has died here and there randomly requiring jump starts alot more frequently.

AAA comes up jumps it and confirms the battery is in great shape too. now i read the article and BAM! i just signed up at the link provided above.
Make sure to disconnect it, if it isn't already. Otherwise it will strand you. The thing is active when it dies because it cooked it's solder on the circuit board which disconnects it's circuits. Totally flawed design.
 

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how do you disconnect it? i hope that does not mean a trip to the dealer for them to charge me for the visit?
 

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how do you disconnect it? i hope that does not mean a trip to the dealer for them to charge me for the visit?
Open the armrest, pull hard on the rear console. It is held in with clips. Search here for better instructions "Bluetooth" or YouTube has videos too. It really takes a good tug. Then the module will be straight ahead little box screwed into rear of console. Pinch the release tab on big wire connector and pull out. Then you are done. Other posts show you how to "bake" the module to get the solder to reflow. Eventually it will overheat and desolder itself.
 

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how do you disconnect it? i hope that does not mean a trip to the dealer for them to charge me for the visit?
If I recall correctly, the stealership will charge (/rape) you approximately $232 to remove this HFL module for you.

Alternatively you can do it yourself for about 10 minutes or less of your time (no charge)- i did it a couple years ago by myself and I'm not mechanically inclined- quite the opposite in fact!!!

 

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thanks for the info!

So I purchased a 2007 MDx 2 weeks ago and my bluetooth fails to pair. Happy to find this thread to sign up for the lawsuit. in the mean time I called the local Acura dealership to order the new part and they quoted it $314. OUCH!! Does anyone have a good website to order the part? I can install it myself to save that moey. One website was around$220 but then wanted to charge $50 fee added to it plus shipping. By then I can purchase from my local dealer. Another thread posted about the part costing $180 but I was not able to find out where to find it at this price. THank you in advance!
 

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I just unplugged my bluetooth module after battery issues. It sucked anyways. It didn't stream music and the quality was only good enough for talking while NOT moving. Not worth the $200 or $300 in my opinion unless it allows you to stream which I'm sure the head unit my not allow without some type of adapter which whacks away your XM option.
 

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I left mine out. Will need to replace battery soon and AMA should give me a new one because I bought it from them 2 years ago. Would love to have the ability to phone but I don't use it enough anyways. Plus we have cameras also and that also drain the battery until a certain point.
 

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I just unplugged my bluetooth module after battery issues. It sucked anyways. It didn't stream music and the quality was only good enough for talking while NOT moving. Not worth the $200 or $300 in my opinion unless it allows you to stream which I'm sure the head unit my not allow without some type of adapter which whacks away your XM option.
You can not use Bluetooth module from 2010-2013? I stream music via Bluetooth all the time with my 2011 mdx.
 

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Come on Lawyers- wrap up this case already- I signed up months ago and most definitely want some of that settlement money from ACURA already (for the pain/agony/inconvenience apparently/knowingly caused by Acura via their use of cheap/faulty products comprising their sh**y HFL Bluetooth module in the 2007-2009 MDX models)!!!! :p
 

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You can not use Bluetooth module from 2010-2013? I stream music via Bluetooth all the time with my 2011 mdx.
I have a 2007 MDX and you can not stream music via bluetooth. I once had an 07 TL type S and it didn't stream either. However, I also had an 09 TL that did stream bluetooth but NO tags. I then had a 2013 TL which then showed the tags via bluetooth but only with my HTC phone. The samsungs didn't show tags. But anyways, I would assume the MDX started bluetooth streaming in 09.
 

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Hi all,

I posted the following links on the mileage thread about this class action lawsuit. However, after looking into some more it appears to be legit and I thought it deserved it's own post.

I found out about the class action lawsuit as I was searching for issues on the 3rd Gen Acura TL as I am considering buying a used one. I ran across a post on Carcomplaints.com. Found that the issue we face on our MDX also affected the TL. Separate research today showed a page dedicated to the complaint by one of the law firms listed: HBS LAW. On this page you can add your name to their list. Hopefully a fixed bluetooth unit comes out of this sometime before I replace my MDX. If you guys post on other forums for other cars that have a similar issue make sure to spread the word like on a TL site.

Regards,

Jay
Any update on this ongoing Class Action LAWSUIT against Acura/Honda Motors?....I had signed up for this months ago and am just wondering if Acura will finally be paying up anytime soon, so that many 2007-2009 Acura MDX Owners/PLAINTIFF's like me can collect my likely share of about $15 dollars in compensation/stealership car wash CREDIT? :laugh: :29:
 

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i am in canada, what are my rights cvoncerning this? HFL module dies a while ago and had to disconnect it from the car because of battery issues
 

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i am in canada, what are my rights cvoncerning this? HFL module dies a while ago and had to disconnect it from the car because of battery issues
sorry, I think it's for US residents only....had read some posts online (other message boards) from Canadian residents who were unable to sign up as plaintiffs :(

DEFENDANT NAME: American Honda Motor Company Inc.
CASE NUMBER: 16-cv-04507
COURT: U.S. District Court for the Central District of California
PRACTICE AREA: Automotive Litigation, Consumer Rights
STATUS: Active
DATE FILED: 06/22/16
KEY ATTORNEYS:
Steve W. Berman
Catherine Y.N. Gannon
Christopher R. Pitoun
RELATED DOCUMENTS:
Order Granting in Part and Denying in Part Defendant's Motion to Dismiss 04/25/17
Amended Complaint 10/17/16
Complaint 08/03/16
CONTACT:
206-623-7292


CASE UPDATE
Judge Jon S. Tigar, of the Northern District of California, recently denied (download Judge Tigar's Order) in large part Honda’s requests to dismiss plaintiffs’ claims—representing a big win for consumers. In doing so, Judge Tigar found it was plausible that the HandsFree Link defect posed a safety risk because drained batteries could cause the car to stop unexpectedly on the road. He also found that plaintiffs have adequately plead that Acura/Honda knew about the relationship between the HandsFree Link and drained batteries as early as 2005, but withheld this information from consumers. With this decision, a large number of Plaintiffs’ claims are allowed to continue.
 

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Thanks for the heads up on the lawsuit link, Jay. This problem has caused me a bunch of battery jump starts/replacements and no doubt unnecessary dealer troubleshooting expense. The latter is the most frustrating as Acura service must've known about the problem and didn't own up to it.
 

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i'm no lawyer, but this doesn't seem like great news for the majority of the plaintiffs!

Acura ‘HandsFreeLink’ Defect Class Action Lawsuit Gets Trimmed
By Anne Bucher
March 28, 2018

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/840256-acura-handsfreelink-defect-class-action-lawsuit-gets-trimmed/

A California federal judge has trimmed a class action lawsuit that alleges Acura vehicles are equipped with “HandsFreeLink” Bluetooth pairing devices with a defect that causes them to drain the car battery.

The HandsFreeLink devices allow drivers to use their cellphones to make calls without using their hands and was a feature that was heavily advertised in promotional materials for Acura vehicles. However, this convenient device allegedly fails to turn off when not in use and causes “parasitic” electrical drain.

U.S. District Judge Jon S. Tigar rejected American Honda Motor Co. Inc.’s bid to dismiss consumer protection and warranty claims from the Acura class action lawsuit. He found that the plaintiffs sufficiently argued that Honda fraudulently concealed the Acura HandsFreeLink defect.

Judge Tigar also found the plaintiffs sufficiently argued the alleged Acura defect was not detectable during diagnosis because the car battery failure was intermittent and mechanics had no reason to suspect the battery drainage was caused by the hands-free calling device.

The Acura hands-free calling device defect class action lawsuit was filed in August 2016 by a group of plaintiffs who claim Honda’s HandsFreeLink device that was installed in some Acura vehicles don’t switch off when not in use, resulting in car batteries being drained and some electronic parts failing prematurely.

The Acura class action lawsuit asserts federal and state consumer protection and warranty claims. On Monday, Judge Tigar agreed with Honda’s argument that some of these claims were filed too late under many state statutes that were listed in the complaint. However, he found that the claims of two California plaintiffs may proceed because they adequately alleged that Honda fraudulently concealed or delayed discovery of the Acura HandsFreeLink defect.

The judge found the Acura HandsFreeLink class action lawsuit sufficiently alleged that facts about the defect would not have been discovered by investigating the known battery defect.

Judge Tigar did dismiss the plaintiffs’ express warranty claims, pointing to circuit court holdings that express warranties that cover “materials or workmanship” do not cover design defects such as the alleged Acura HandsFreeLink defect at issue in the plaintiffs’ class action lawsuit.

The judge found that the Florida plaintiff did not purchase an Acura vehicle from a Honda dealership and dismissed the Florida implied warranty claims.

However, Judge Tigar found that Honda could be held liable for restitution even if it did not make any money off of the sale of used Acuras, and allowed the restitution claims to proceed. Further, he found that the plaintiffs’ equitable relief claims under unfair competition laws could move forward because they are not prohibited from seeking alternative remedies at this state in the litigation.

The plaintiffs are represented by James E. Cecchi of Carella Byrne Cecchi Olstein Brody & Agnello PC and Christopher A. Seeger, Stephen A. Weiss and Scott Alan George of Seeger Weiss LLP.

The Acura HandsFreeLink Battery Draining Defect Class Action Lawsuit is Aberin, et al. v. American Honda Motor Company Inc., Case No. 3:16-cv-04384, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
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