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Here is what Edmunds have to say about the Truck:

What's New:
Only minor changes are made to Chevrolet's bread-and-butter Silverado pickup for 2002. Some options packages have been revamped for easier ordering and all extended-cab models now come standard with a four-speed automatic transmission, with the manual no longer available.
Pro:
Roomy extended cab models, strong V8 engines, available composite bed, disc brakes at all four corners, optional traction control.

Con:
Cheap interior materials, sketchy build quality. <-----------

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Chevrolet Silverado problems

This is a data collected by ConsumerGuide:
Trouble Spots

Automatic transmission: The front wheels slip while in 4WD requiring replacement of the clutch plates as well as the use of synthetic gear oil. (1999-2001)
Manual transmission: Manual transmissions tend to pop out of first gear because the transmissions were built without a detent ball and spring. These parts will be installed under warranty,. (1999-2000)

Vehicle shake: Extended cab, long box models shudder when accelerating from a stop requiring replacement of the two-piece driveshaft with a one-piece driveshaft. (1999-2001)

Average Replacement Cost
A/C Compressor $390
Alternator $325
Automatic Transmission or Transaxle $1,115
Brakes $375
Clutch, Pressure Plate, Bearing $455
Constant Velocity Joints $890
Exhaust System $455
Radiator $555
Shocks and/or Struts $665
Timing Chain or Belt $610

NHTSA Recall History

1999-2000: Clearance between front right-hand brake pipe and body cross sill could decrease to the point of allowing contact, which could result in damage and loss of brake fluid and pressure.
2000: Out-of-spec spring clip in antilock brake system could allow motor bearing to become misaligned; eventually, ABS would be non-functional and Dynamic Rear Proportioning system would become inoperative.
 

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Lest anyone imply that there is a grand conspiracy with the data available from ALLDATA (either in regards to the restriction *notice* from AHMC, or that the manufacturers are self selective in releasing TSB info) the info available from the NHTSA pretty much bear out these numbers. And I am referring to the all of the categories:Recall Campaigns, Technical Service Bulletins, Defect Investigations as well as the Consumer Complaints which is a VERY raw and unedited *dump* from disgruntled consumers. The NHTSA site currently lists:

2001 MDX 1 complaint
2002 MDX 2 complaints

2002 Chevy Trailblazer 82 complaints (included because it was suggested as a 'merican alternative to the MDX)

and just as a reference to the claims that a "$40k car/SUV shouldn't have any problems"

2001 BMW X5 25 complaints

No, these are not statistically valid, nor due they account for the production volume discrepencies (2x on the X5 and 3x on the Trailblazer), but they give you a relative "order of magnitude" perspective of consumer complaints.

(P.S. On the entire NHTSA site, there is but one reference to a possible transmission problem on the MDX, I lost count on the specific transmission problems reported for just the Trailblazer)
 

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(P.S. On the entire NHTSA site, there is but one reference to a possible transmission problem on the MDX, I lost count on the specific transmission problems reported for just the Trailblazer)
And it is also revealing that RobSJ , although stating that his dealership has replaced 20 MDX transmissions, has never replaced one himself???

Quote from a different thread by RobSJ: " I can do the TL/CL transmission R&R in about 4.0 flat now. The first time I did one, it took almost 8. I haven't done an MDX personally, but I know there is more involved."
 

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I could not find Chevy 'Silverado' trucks, but I believe that is a model name, not a model designation, as listed by Alldata.
Any of the Chevy pickups I clicked on had similarly long lists.
In fact, for the last few years, GM trucks overall looked worse than any other domestic, or Japanese brand. Only Hyundai had a similarly dismal report.
I am sure that Alldata's data will now be questioned either to it's objectivity or completeness, but if anyone else has independent data, let them show it!
 

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And it is also revealing that RobSJ , although stating that his dealership has replaced 20 MDX transmissions, has never replaced one himself???

Quote from a different thread by RobSJ: " I can do the TL/CL transmission R&R in about 4.0 flat now. The first time I did one, it took almost 8. I haven't done an MDX personally, but I know there is more involved."
I'm not the "heavy duty" guy. Although, most of us are Master Techs down there that can do any type of job, we all fall into being specialists at one thing or another. And, I'd rather not be that good at transmission R&Rs that I become the "go to" guy when it comes to lifting a 100+ pound assembly over your head.

I'm best for NVH (all the squeaks and rattles you guys hear), issues related to the check engine light, and alignment.

I've avoided the MDX for now, but because of the insane amount of TL/CL failures, I haven't been able to avoid them. (and that's usually bcause the usual "go to" tranny guys are already in the middle of an R&R for another tranny)


And this nonsense:

Hey Rob, the disgruntle Acura mechanic, your Silverado is a piece of ......
...that can tow your MDX away even if you tried to do a tug of war with it. There's this cool thing out there called TORQUE! I know Honda hasn't quite gotten a grasp of this concept yet, but I'm sure they'll catch up sooner or later.

Rob
 

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Hi All:

___Please forgive me for posting OT into this thread but I really could care less about the Chevrolet Silverado transmissions and neither should anyone else here care … Well I do a little for my small business ;)

___TheRobSJ, Could you please verify the MDX transmission trouble numbers you have discussed in the past. Simply talking with the tranny tech about what he or she may have done in passing is simply not good enough. Please, ask again to verify that 5 or more MDX transmissions have been replaced and not just looked at or had the VTM fluid changed. Possibly ask for the paperwork to verify in some form from your boss because your numbers are way out there compared to everyone that has responded to the MDX transmission problem threads to date. After looking at the TL/CL forums (to many transmission failures to count), Odyssey forums (99 – 01’s are seemingly high with 35 + but no 02’s with thousands of members), Pilot forums (2 so far with almost 1000 members to date), and here (5 from almost 5000 members to date) … 20 replacements in one shop for the MDX alone just doesn’t make sense. Please ask again tomorrow to get closer to the real numbers is all I am asking.

___Thanks in advance.

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
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My numbers are pretty accurate. I know for sure that we did 5 last month. And I'm really close if not right on when I say 15 more in all the time before last month. I've been making a good mental note of them because I'm so amazed at how often they failI may be off by a couple, but I'm not going to go raiding through the records for an exact count.

And we've just declared another one terminal today. It should be replaced tomorrow if the tranny comes in on the overnight.

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And the CL/TL 5-speeds are coming in and out so fast, it's hard to keep track. Just know that on any given day, there's at least one or two vehicles awaiting the replacement transmission to come in. So I'm not kidding when I say we've done hundreds of them.

Just to give you an idea to our volume, we have about 11 full technicians and 2 limited techs. We can push through about 30-50 cars a day.

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Hi TheRobSJ:
I know for sure that we did 5 last month. And I'm really close if not right on when I say 15 more in all the time before last month. I've been making a good mental note of them because I'm so amazed at how often they fail. I may be off by a couple ... And we've just declared another one terminal today. It should be replaced tomorrow if the tranny comes in on the overnight.
___Are all of these CL/TL transmissions, a mix of CL/TL and MDX transmissions, or just MDX transmissions? I just cannot figure out how many of what you are seeing?

___Thanks again

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
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As far as 5 last month, plus about 15 more beforehand, and 1 more today, I'm referring to the MDX only.

Last month, the total number of transmission R&Rs for all models (mostly TL) was in the low 30's.

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Question for TheRobSJ...

Of the MDX transmission failures that you are aware of, how many if any, were equipped with transmission coolers?
 

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Couldn't tell you. I haven't been looking THAT close at the jobs. Would be interesting to see how many of the cooler equipped ones have though. I'll start keeping track.

I'll look at the one we have in awaiting replacement now and start keeping track in my head.

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