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Bridgestone Dueler Alenza @$800 is the price I can get from Costco near Christmas when they have both $70 rebate and free installation. Conti LX 20 @$950 is the price at Discount/America Tire now. No promotion. All of them are out of door prices including everything.

Price-wise, I like Alenza, but Conti has a 70k vs. 40k warranty. Also I heard a lot of good comments about Conti, only some positive feedback for Alenza. So I am kind of hesitant here so I'd like to hear you guys comments on which one is a better value.

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These are both very good tires. Similar, equally good tires also include the new Bridgestone Dueler H/P Sport AS, the Bridgestone Dueler H/L 422 Ecopia, and the Continental CrossContact LX Sport. The 422 Ecopia and the LX20 both claim to be "ecologically designed" for better fuel economy through reduced tire rolling resistance. All five of these are great all-around choices for an MDX, with a nice balance of price, performance, treadwear, ride, noise, etc. The treadwear warranty is 65K miles for the 422 Ecopia and the 235/65-17 size of the Alenza, 40K miles for the 255/55-18 size of the Alenza, and 70K miles for the LX20. There is no treadwear warranty for the H/P Sport AS or LX Sport.

I've got the Dueler H/L Alenza on my MDX and I like them a lot. Excellent performance (dry roads and wet roads), good ride and noise characteristics, terrific treadlife (the ones on the rear have been on the longest, around 16K miles and only wore 1.5/32" of tread; the ones on the front haven't been on all that long and of course will wear a bit faster than the rear, haven't rotated them yet). From what I've heard (including from the folks at Tire Rack), the others are equally good choices. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. (You can find side-by-side comparison tests and survey results on the Tire Rack website; overall, four of these are rated among the top 6 of the 17 tires in their category, with the LX20 and the 422 Ecopia topping the category, while the new Bridgestone is not yet included.)

Personally, I don't worry all that much about treadwear warranties, just because I check my pressures and I've always gotten enough miles that I've never needed to get a treadwear warranty honored. Also the treadwear warranty is usually prorated on a purchase of the exact same tire, so it's not going to do anything for you if you want to replace it with a different tire. And it's not necessarily an indication of how many miles you'll get on the tire; it's quite possible you'll get as many miles on a tire with a 65-70K warranty as you will on one with a 40K warranty or no warranty.

If I were buying new tires for an MDX today, I'd get the 422 Ecopia or the LX20 if I had 18" wheels, and the LX20 or the Alenza if I had 17" wheels.

You may be able to do much better than the prices you mention by buying over the internet and having them mounted and installed locally. Here are current prices via the internet (you won't have to pay sales tax in most states, which may save you almost $20 per tire, but you'll have to pay for mounting and balancing, typically $10-20 per tire; Tire Rack shipping is typically $13-20 per tire).

Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza
235/65-17 $137 plus shipping from Tire Rack, $144 with free shipping from Discount Tire Direct, less $70 rebate on a purchase of four through the end of this month
255/55-18 $186 plus shipping from Tire Rack, $199 with free shipping from Discount Tire Direct, less $70 rebate on a purchase of four through the end of this month

Bridgestone Dueler H/L 422 Ecopia
235/65-17 $157 plus shipping from Tire Rack, less $70 rebate on a purchase of four through the end of this month
255/55-18 $186 plus shipping from Tire Rack, less $70 rebate on a purchase of four through the end of this month

Bridgestone Dueler H/P Sport AS
235/65-17 $151 plus shipping from Tire Rack, less $70 rebate on a purchase of four through the end of this month
255/55-18 $183 plus shipping from Tire Rack, less $70 rebate on a purchase of four through the end of this month

CrossContact LX20 with EcoPlus Technology
235/65-17 $145-147 plus shipping from Tire Rack
255/55-18 $188 plus shipping from Tire Rack, $192 with free shipping from Discount Tire Direct

Continental CrossContact LX Sport
235/65-17 $176-177 plus shipping from Tire Rack
255/55-18 $211-215 plus shipping from Tire Rack

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Thanks a lot for the help. The link is very educational. Really appreciate it. Costco does not carry Ecopia for 18'', so it looks that I should go with your choice. They have this free installation last year. Hopefully they have the same thing this year too. Otherwise, I shall get the LX20 from America's Tire.
 

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I had a bad experience with the Bridgestone Alenza tires. I bought a set for my wife's 2006 Honda Pilot. They were great for about the first 30k miles and then got increasing louder to the point where both my wife and I couldn't take them anyone. The still had over half the tread life left when we went to tire rack and traded them on a new set of Michelins. Just sharing my experience, but I would not recommend them.
 

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I had a set of Alenza as well on our pilot. Stuck them out to 55k miles but that last 20k wasn't pretty.

The Michelins I replaced them with are the best tires i've had on that car. Take a look at latitudes or ltx tires


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The Michelin Latitude Tour and Latitude Tour HP are decent tires also (ranked #8 and #11 out of the 17 on the Tire Rack website summary). But the problem is that they're ridiculously expensive, over 50 percent more than the top rated tires, for a tire that is not any better. Why spend $295 on a Michelin tire when you can get a better Continental or Bridgestone tire for $186?
 

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How many miles have you got on your Michelins? The OEM tires in my X are Michelins. And they have 45k+ miles now. The warranty covers 55k miles. They are pretty loud by my standard now. Sometimes I feel that I am riding on a train. Of course, I have no comparison. Maybe all tires get loud when they are old? The Conti LX20 is a new tire. I do not know how it sounds after the first 30k miles.

I had a set of Alenza as well on our pilot. Stuck them out to 55k miles but that last 20k wasn't pretty.

The Michelins I replaced them with are the best tires i've had on that car. Take a look at latitudes or ltx tires


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Maybe all tires get loud when they are old?
In general, that's true. But there are some variations; some tires are louder than others when they are new, and some tires (often but not always the same ones) are louder than others when they get worn.

FWIW, the LX20 and the 422 Ecopia top the Tire Rack's user survey results for best ratings for noise. Those two tires were also together (along with a Goodyear tire) in a side-by-side comparison test (click here), which uses new tires and said, "All three tires produced minimal tread noise, with the slight advantage going to the CrossContact LX20, and the Dueler H/L 422 Ecopia right behind."
 

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The Michelin Latitude Tour and Latitude Tour HP are decent tires also (ranked #8 and #11 out of the 17 on the Tire Rack website summary). But the problem is that they're ridiculously expensive, over 50 percent more than the top rated tires, for a tire that is not any better. Why spend $295 on a Michelin tire when you can get a better Continental or Bridgestone tire for $186?
Had to look the answer up. 64,000 miles so far on ltx ms2.


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My 4 year old Alenzas have about 46k miles on them and they are almost at the wear bars. Tbh I was hoping it would last a bit longer. With the winter coming up here I am going to get new tires and am thinking about the Michelin latitude tour (not hp). At Costco they are $9 more each than the Alenzas and that is before the 70 instant rebate. Gotta think about it :)

Btw I just checked sears and the lx20 was about 670 pretax. This includes installation but u have to enter car60 code. Most places will price match so u can print that out if u don't want to get it done at sears. This is the 108t owl tires or 108h bw
 

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Maybe you are looking at a different size. For 255/55/18, Sears charges 851-60. = 790. Then they charge 64 for installation and life time balance, 16 for valve stem, 102 for road hazard insurance, which are included in both Costco and America's Tires. The end result is that it will cost you 1037-60+tax. Sears is a very expensive place and I am not surprised.

My 4 year old Alenzas have about 46k miles on them and they are almost at the wear bars. Tbh I was hoping it would last a bit longer. With the winter coming up here I am going to get new tires and am thinking about the Michelin latitude tour (not hp). At Costco they are $9 more each than the Alenzas and that is before the 70 instant rebate. Gotta think about it :)

Btw I just checked sears and the lx20 was about 670 pretax. This includes installation but u have to enter car60 code. Most places will price match so u can print that out if u don't want to get it done at sears. This is the 108t owl tires or 108h bw
 

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Prices can vary from dealer to dealer, by brand and size and model. For example, in 235/65-17, the Bridgestone Alenza that the Tire Rack sells for $137, Costco sells for $153 - but the Bridgestone 422 Ecopia that the Tire Rack sells for $157, Costco sells for $137. Go figure!

So shop around for the tire(s) you want, in the size you need, and make sure to look at the bottom line total, including sales tax (which you'll usually pay at local stores but not when ordering over the internet), shipping (which you'll sometimes pay when ordering over the internet, not usually in local stores), mounting/balancing (which you'll pay locally when ordering over the internet, and sometimes but not always when buying locally), disposal fee, and road hazard insurance (which in my experience is not worth it but is sometimes included, sometimes extra). Then make your decision.
 

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Maybe you are looking at a different size. For 255/55/18, Sears charges 851-60. = 790. Then they charge 64 for installation and life time balance, 16 for valve stem, 102 for road hazard insurance, which are included in both Costco and America's Tires. The end result is that it will cost you 1037-60+tax. Sears is a very expensive place and I am not surprised.
Yes my 04 is 235 65 17 and generally I don't get warranties like the road hazard unless i have no choice like at Costco. Costco doesn't sell Contis thus I checked sears and I was getting 666 pretax w/o the RHW.


Prices can vary from dealer to dealer, by brand and size and model. For example, in 235/65-17, the Bridgestone Alenza that the Tire Rack sells for $137, Costco sells for $153 - but the Bridgestone 422 Ecopia that the Tire Rack sells for $157, Costco sells for $137. Go figure!
You're comparing the wrong Ecopias I believe. There are the ecopia 422 and the HL 422 ecopia. The higher rated ones are the HL 422 ecopia and those are not 137 at Costco. They are like 16X.XX for the 235 65 17 (TR is 157 like you mentioned but currently has a rebate). Now I gotta decide if I want to wait until the Costco rebate in Dec.
I might hit up Mavis today and see what happens lol

UPDATE: Alright made a appt for Mavis today around 3. Will be going for the conti lx20 108H BW in 235 65 17. I will post updates later!
 

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You're comparing the wrong Ecopias I believe. There are the ecopia 422 and the HL 422 ecopia. The higher rated ones are the HL 422 ecopia and those are not 137 at Costco. They are like 16X.XX for the 235 65 17 (TR is 157 like you mentioned but currently has a rebate).
Thanks! I believe you're correct, and that explains the price discrepancy. It's confusing because the Tire Rack website only shows the HL 422 Ecopia, and the Costco website only shows the Ecopia 422.

UPDATE: Alright made a appt for Mavis today around 3. Will be going for the conti lx20 108H BW in 235 65 17.
Sounds good! :29:
 

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Here's a kudos for the Bridgestone Ecopia 422 on my 04 MDX. I've had them for about 7k now and I like the quiet ride, but am most impressed with an improvement in MPG. Just took a trip last weekend of about 900 miles round trip. I've had my 04 MDX since 2010 and the best MPG I've every been able to achieve on highway driving has been at 20.8 mpg. I got 21.6 mpg outbound and 23.0 mpg returning! I ran at 70 to 75 mph the whole way. I have gotten better mpg with city/highway mixed driving also getting .5 to 1.0 mpg around town. (18.6 mpg). I can't attribute these kind of increases to anything else. I'll see how the mileage life runs, but so far I like to better gas mileage.
I've also had good experiences with the Alenza tires on my other vehicles, but they are a little noisy and do not improve MPG, but have superior handling/traction in dry or wet weather.
 

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This is an update. I finally pulled the trigger 20 minutes ago and bought 4 LX20 at $836.60 OTD from Americas Tire. I am in CA. It is a good price as the typical price is $950. There is a 50 dollars online discount today and the price itself is lower than usual. If anybody is interested, it is probably a good price.
 

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Today I went to AT to pay for it so that they can special order the tires.

(1) They charged 16 dollars for rebuild TPMS. So the total is now 854. Still about $100 cheaper.

(2) They actually tried to talk me out of LX20. I was hesitating but in the end I decided to give LX a try. So online review won and professional advice lost this time for me.

I really hope that the advice I learned here is correct. If I am not satisfied in 30 days, I can buy other tires from them. So we will see how it goes.


This is an update. I finally pulled the trigger 20 minutes ago and bought 4 LX20 at $836.60 OTD from Americas Tire. I am in CA. It is a good price as the typical price is $950. There is a 50 dollars online discount today and the price itself is lower than usual. If anybody is interested, it is probably a good price.
 

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Today I went to AT to pay for it so that they can special order the tires.

(1) They charged 16 dollars for rebuild TPMS. So the total is now 854. Still about $100 cheaper.

(2) They actually tried to talk me out of LX20. I was hesitating but in the end I decided to give LX a try. So online review won and professional advice lost this time for me.

I really hope that the advice I learned here is correct. If I am not satisfied in 30 days, I can buy other tires from them. So we will see how it goes.


How are the LX20s riding? I'm looking for new tires and want to buy em.
 

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Will install this Thursday. Will report back after my winter vacation trip.

How are the LX20s riding? I'm looking for new tires and want to buy em.
 
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