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I really like the 2nd gen 'V. In fact, if they were out last summer, I think I might have chosen one over the MDX. The three primary things I wanted that my 1st gen 2WD CR-V LX lacked was a sunroof, a bit more room and 4WD made by Honda (not Isuzu), and at the time the MDX was my only option. Most of the other stuff the MDX has is wonderful, but stuff I could probably have lived without. In fact, there are several things on the 2nd gen 'V that I wish were on my 'X. These are, in descending order of importance:

1) width. Sometimes I wish my 'X wasn't quite as wide. The ATV trails at the Ocala N.F. I used to enjoy in my old 'V are totally out of the question for the 'X :( Even in the 'V it took very careful driving to avoid the jungle limbs on either side of the narrow trail. Also, my wife wants to get a Solara (much wider than her current car) and the thought of trying to fit both in my garage has me worried. I already have to perform minor gymnastic stunts to get out of my 'X when her car is in the garage.

2) pass through betwwen the front seats. My wife really liked this feature in our old 1st gen 'V as it allowed her to tangle with GG Jr. in the back seat. There's nothing scarier than watching your wife try to vault over the center console of the 'X (with her shoes on the leather seats) while driving 75 mph down the highway.

3) glass hatch that opens seperately from tailgate. I really missed this recently when I had to bring home my new lawn mower (a Honda of course :p ). In my old 'V, I had to take my old lawnmower up to the shop for repairs several times and all I had to do was roll it in and let the handle bars stick out the glass hatch. When I brought home my new one in the 'X, I had to tilt the mower up in the air in order to get the handlebars inside the tailgate. Then I had to drive with one hand and hold the mower with my other hand to keep it from hitting the leather seats. Of course, I probably could have just disassebled the handle, but I'm lazy.

4) Picnic table/fish tub. I never actually used the picnic table in my 1st gen 'V, but the area underneath (aka the plastic fish tub) was used for my custom 12" sub enclosure. This allowed for total stealthiness and unbelievably pure and clean bass as it was underground so to speak and perfectly centered. In my 'X, I had to have a box built for it and it takes up space in the back, is not stealthy, and just doesn't sound as good :( As for the 10" factory Bose sub, I could never even tell it was working and even though I'm not a rapper, I HAVE to have excellent bass for my listening pleasure (I like drum intensive rock).

5) regular fuel. I still don't quite understand how the Oddy has the same hp on regular fuel, while I'm required (I think?) to burn premium :( The 'V gets 22/26 mpg (auto EX) on regular fuel, so the fuel savings would have been substantial. The performance penalty is not that much. I've seen auto 2nd gen 'Vs tested at 8.9 sec 0-60, and 5 speeds at 8.4 seconds, which is only .1 to .4 sec slower than the 'X. In fact, one of the major reviewers (Edmunds, C&D or MT, can't remember which) tested a 5 spd 'X and actually did the 1/4 mile 0.1 sec quicker (at same mph) on a rain slicked test track than the 'X. Of course, the auto 'V was not as fast as the 'X, but still faster than the ML 320 :p

6) cupholders. even though the 'X has 10 cupholders, I much preferred the cupholders in the 'V. The ones in the center console of the 'X are not much use IMO as they wind up behind my shoulder even with the seat all the way back. That leaves me with two behind the gear shift, which if they spill, makes a mess out of everything. In my old 'V, I had two that popped out of the dash that were great cuz if they spilled it would land on the floor mats below (great for fries). It also had two in the flip down center table that were very handy as well. That meant I had 4 very useable cupholders up front, unlike two just adequate cupholders in the 'X. Hmmm...with all the fast food I eat maybe I should have listed this one first :p

7) intermittent rear wiper. Not a big deal, and Acura has added this to the '02 'X. But I wish my '01 had it.

8) auto up driver's window. Again, not a big deal, but you'd think the 'X (which costs almost twice as much) would have had this feature found on the 2nd gen 'V. Not available for '02 'X either AFAIK.

9) rear windows that roll all the way down. This again is minor, but with my rear windows tinted as dark as they are, it makes it difficult for GG Jr. to see out the window when I roll them down.

10) full size spare. Again, not a big deal and several forum members have added this themselves. But I was rather dissapointed to learn about this considering that I like to go off-roading.


In EX trim, the 'V also has slide and tilt moonroof, 6 disc in dash CD, ABS, side airbags and sunglass holder just like the 'X, slightly better head and leg room, especially in the rear seat (but worse shoulder and hip room), slightly better ground clearance, and better approach and departure angles (but worse breakover).

What it primarily lacks compared to the 'X is lockable rear diff (not that necessary for the generally flat trails here in Fla), leather, 7 row seating (which I've rarely used), beefiness which helps safety and tow capacity, nav (which I don't have or miss anyway), climate control, dual zone cc, power seats, trip computer, homelink (but according to CR-V Engineer the Oddy unit will fit the 'V), and several other neat gizmos. The 'V also only has 72 cu ft of cargo capacity compared to the 81 in the 'X, but I think 72 would have been enough for my needs (especially with the seperately opening hatch), and compared to the X5 it's still huge :p

Anyway, this may sound blasphemous, but I'm wondering if I should have waited and just gotten the 2nd gen 'V instead. I LOVE the 'X, but for MY needs I think the 2nd gen 'V might have sufficed and I could have gotten a pair of top of the line waverunners for the money I would have saved :( Plus I really like them in silver :cool: Comments appreciated.
 

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Clearly someone has hacked GG's account!


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Clearly someone has hacked GG's account!


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Hey Worm, it's really me. Can't you tell by the overzealous use of smilies? :p I was sick yesterday, so perhaps I'm still a little woozy :D Seriously though, what prompted all this was when I saw a pic (the one I kept trying to post with no luck above) of a beautiful new sliver 'V being driven through some nice muddy water, and I got all teary-eyed and sentimental :p
 

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Can't believe no one else has replied :confused:. Must all be in complete and total disbelief, or concur w/the "hacked account" theory.

Wassup w/the pics? Did you try and upload them from another site (html)? I don't think that'll work w/the upload button - has to be on your local drive. Just link to 'em w/img tags instead. I know you're a pro at uploads, so VERY strange.

Obviously both symptoms - upload and CRV envy - due to illness. Just bring a note from Mrs. Gator on Monday :)
 

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Hmm...how to reply...WHOEVER YOU ARE RELEASE GATORGREG!!!

OK, if you are GG, how to reply...what can I say? I saw the new V and commented to my wife how nice it looks, how much better it is than the RAV, and whether she would have preferred one. The answer was no--not because the V was unsuitable or inadequate--but because it felt more like a truck for the college-aged than a truck for a young family. Sort of a difference in class I guess.

That's really all I can say--if you don't use the 3rd row, can do w/out leather and like more of that compact feeling--I still love the X!! She's a beauty man, what can I say?

But subjective impressions aside, you're right GG, but penance for such blasphemy is MDX evangelization for the next week here and everywhere you go!

Rob :cool:
 

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It worked! Isn't that a beautiful pic? Here's another silver 'V pic, this one from Finland. In other parts of the world, the CR-V is actually Honda's most upscale SUV offering, so I guess that's why they get the cool stuff like the funky antennae on the roof. I think they also get navi (which may explain the antennae), whereas in the U.S. there's just a big hole in the dash :p
 

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Here's another great shot of the Finnish 'V in the fog. Don't worry Robyjo, I still love the 'X and will continue to spread the gospel. It is by far the best vehicle in its class IMO. I'm just saying that for my current needs (family of three in Fla with nothing big to tow, yet), the 2nd gen 'V would have been an excellent choice too.
 

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That's the GG we know and love


Better change your password...someone was trolling on your moniker earlier today ;)
 

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Thanks Worm, or should I call you "Master of the Smiley Face" :p Here's another classic 'V pic just for you. If only Honda had hired some Finnish bikini models for the silver 'V pics above :eek:
 

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Hey all,

First off, for sure, you canNOT compare the GX470 to the CR-V! :)

Well, GG has finally came down to my level! I have been emphatically telling him how CRAZY he is for even thinking about a DOWNGRADING to a CRV. We actually have spent numerous hours talking about this. I guess a lawyer will always be uncomfortable in the upper echelon of society! :) GG, i hear a silver YUGO calling your name! It gets even better MPG than the CRV!

The new CRV is too SNUB-nosed...similar to the smaller Civic...too short in the front. The rear is definitely not as nice as the 1st generation. The fuel tank is a big sore spot if you want to off-road...it hangs extremely (& dangerously) low to the ground! That would explain the pathetic breakover angle. The muffler is high...that is the ONLY big improvement to the 1st generation. The engine is nice, too. By looking at the torque curve of the new CRV engine, it looks quite similar to the MDX's. However, after looking under the new CRV, its suspension components seem a tad weaker than the old generation (and, of course, doesn't compare to the MDX's thick A-arms)...the stamped steel control arms seem thinner and fragile (what's up with the many exposed screws on the A-arms?!). The rear seat armrest/cupholder is cheaply made.

As an audiophile, i must say that the new CRV does have near ideal speaker placement. The tweeters are aimed upward into the front windshield and the woofers are high in the door.

GG, the picture you posted of the CRV crossing the PUDDLE, is uninspiring! The puddle is shallow...what is so great about it?? I think a YUGO can make it through there!

As a CRV owner, the 4WD system on the CRV is slow-acting...remember, there is NO computer to sense slippage via the ABS sensors (like MDX). Honda did not improve on the 4WD system from the 1st to the 2nd generation (to my disappointment). Therefore, for the system to be active, you must need at least 1/4 wheel spin. Also, there is no locking differential in the rear...which means that if you lose traction on one wheel in front and rear, you are screwed!

Well, GG has his reasons (namely, just ONE--passing through the front seats). At least, i don't have to debate with him about MDX vs. GX470 anymore.

Thanks.
 

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Thai, you raise some good points. Yep, that rear seat cup holder/armrest is Yugo CHEAP, but if I recall correctly the 1st gen rear armrest, while a better design, has no cupholders at all. As for the picture, try to imagine that silver 'V blazing through the mud puddle at 15-20 mph and the resultant huge mud splash :p Its got lots more power and torque and the same ground clearance as the 1st gen, (0.1 inch more than MDX), so I figure the 2nd gen would be just as capable for off-roading as the 1st gen, especially in Florida where breakover angles are rarely an issue, but ground clearance is. And remember, my old 'V was only 2WD, so I figure a 2nd gen with RT4WD would be great for getting me down my favorite trails, which are definitely not accessible to the MDX and probably not accessible to your future GX either due to width. Do you think the MDX or GX would even get through the secret entrance gate at Wekiwa pictured below? They certainly wouldn't have made it down the actual trail without heavy scratches with the thick jungle closing in on either side. As for snub noziness, I agree it looks kind of weird at first, but now I really like it and if you compare the 1st and 2nd gen side by side the 2nd gen looks much better IMO.

Also, in the Truck Trend review of the new CR-V v. RAV4 v. Escape v. Freelander, the CR-V came out on top if you average the various grades assigned to all the vehicles. True, the others were better in the off-roading category (especially the Freelander), but the 'V made it through and received some good comments as well. Perhaps more importantly to me, it was tops in room and versatility. So the way I see it, it is ultra versatile and roomy, and still gives you just enough off-roading capability to have a LOT of fun, especially on Fla trails. Plus, if you add some Michelin LTX 225/70 tires (like I did on my old 'V), you'll have close to 9 inches of ground clearance with very little performance drop in terms of 0-60, better off-roading, and even plusher ride :)

I especially like the tossability of the CR-V and the fact that it's relatively inexpensive too. This allows you to have lots of fun with less worry. Just look at your brothers for instance, they both have superb off-roading machines in the Disco II and LX470, but are afraid to even drive them on the beach! I'll be driving my 'X on the beach this Saturday and I'll just hose it down as soon as I leave the beach, no big deal. With the CR-V, I'd still hose it down, but I'd probably wait til I got home to do it :p
 

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