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2022 Type S Roadside Breakdown

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So, long time lurker, first time poster…

2022 Type S Advance, 17,100 mi currently, purchased Apr 2022

This past Sunday afternoon we had a major breakdown that was worsened by the intersection of 2 other ‘problems’.

1. The actual breakdown…driving down a multi-lane road and everything appears perfectly normal and as I proceeded from a stop in traffic and pressed the gas pedal, a sound I would liken to a T-Shirt Air Cannon going off, followed by much louder turbo spool-up sound and then a Christmas light show on the dash and very reduced power from the vehicle.
I managed to get to a turn lane and a safe side street, with my 5 passengers onboard.
I thought that maybe a shutdown and restart might help, but the very mechanical nature of the breakdown sounds made me very skeptical. Restart simple resulted in a normal ignition, climb to 1000rpm and then 5 seconds later it would just die with weird turbo spool noises and then the Christmas Tree light show ensued again. Onscreen warnings were basically as follows…they were either about equipment no longer working, or warning it was malfunctioning, and to see the dealer…


Air suspension
Emergency brake
Emissions system
Power steering
Braking system
VSA
Hill start assist
Trailer stability control
Adaptive cruise
Collision
Road departure
Low speed braking
Auto high beam

Obviously, not all, or likely any, are actually failed in this moment, but the vehicle is having some sort cascade controls meltdown on the side of the road.
So, I press the button for roadside assistance and pop the hood…while making arrangements for my 5 passengers to get a ride to our ultimate destination.

2. Roadside Assistance…this is where the real fun begins. So, Acura uses AAA for roadside towing/carrier emergencies, fair enough, or so I thought. Told them in advance that it was AWD and would not shift into Neutral (FYI - because engine not running and crappy 10spd tranny design). Apparently, the local contract towing company had a broken tow truck and wasn’t available and others weren’t picking up the phone. So, they had to look further afield and apparently it was a busy towing day in Greater Atlanta and nothing was available on short notice. I even tried calling private tow companies and AAA directly, no luck on either front there either. Acura Roadside wasn’t good at calling me back or getting results, which ended up with me (on my own) waiting for about 7 hours until a truck came. Not their fault about local tow situation but they weren’t so good on communication due to lack of call back comment above..but also because of how they communicated tow pick up times…’estimated arrive time’ in texts and phone conversations only means exactly that. It also means they don’t have a tow actually booked, it’s just their ‘estimate’ after putting a request out into their booking system…actual times may vary…by a lot…in my case the 90 minute ‘estimate’ turned into 7.5 hrs to be precise. My ignorance here I guess…lessons learned, but Acura NEVER volunteered updates on arrival times or the estimate vs actual, I had to pretty much beat that out of them myself, figuratively…tho as time went on I did want to hurt them, just a little bit, or maybe a lot as 330pm turned into 1030pm.

3. The Pick-up…first truck was a flat bed, not good…needed a tow with dolly because of the Neutral issue. Simple reality here, and it has been discussed on this site I know…which was why I told folks upfront that the vehicle won’t go into Neutral. If the engine won’t run, or stay running in this case, it will not go into N and it cannot be pulled onto a flatbed. There is some rotatable bolt on the side of the bell-housing but that’s a joke and it’s not helpful at all. So, if you need a tow and your MDX is a brick, gotta insist on a tow w/dollies and be sure to set your suspension to Tow Mode and High for the shut off setting…if you are actually able to do so.

4. The fix…as it sounded like, it was the outlet of the turbo, loose clamps gave out and the hose blew off. It’s on the underside of the engine, or thereabouts, not visible from above and need to get it on a hoist, remove the underside tray and then can quickly see it. Took them 40 minutes to get the car in the bay and running again. That’s it. 😐

Runs fine, no light show, no hose damage and no visible towing damage. Drama over…for now…sigh.
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So sorry this happened to you! My worst nightmare because I am female and travel alone a lot. 2things: 1. is this shift to neutral problem on all AWD MDX? I have 2023 Advanced AWD. So if engine is dead exactly what type wrecker assistance needs to be requested? 2. It has been my experience when stranded to call 911 and advise of situation and ask for wrecker assistance. This seems to get a quicker tow response if dispatched through law enforcement. Of course, Atlanta may be a whole other thing! It’s not free but I wouldn’t want to be by myself on the side of the road for that length of time!
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Sorry this happened to you. That’s rough.
As I was reading the description of the noise the first thing I thought was and intake pipe blew off. I had this happen on my old supercharged Scion tC. I didn’t install the clamp tight enough and the pipe blew right off.
Glad it was nothing major though. Thanks for the heads up on the tow with a dolly - I had no idea.
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The 10spd is common across all 4th gen MDX’es…just strengthened and tuned for the Type S, so this will be the same for yours, unfortunately. And I did question the shop tech yesterday when I picked it up, so I confirmed this problem is accurate. And by ‘problem’ I mean ‘design feature’.

If you cannot keep the engine running…no Neutral…so a tow will have to include a dolly and you have to tell them at the time you request a roadside tow from anyone’.

Need to specify:

All wheel drive with Neutral = flatbed truck…
OR
All wheel drive without Neutral = tow truck with dolly for rear or front axle.

This is my wife’s MDX so I told her that if this happens again and she’s in a dangerous or remote location that she should call the police first and then Acura so she is not at risk of being in a similar situation and waiting for hours and hours. And to specify a truck with a dolly because if she locks it up they won’t be able to put it in N if they don’t have the key anyway.

And when you have the roadside protection, keep your receipts if you get a third party tow…you can backcharge Acura later…I also confirmed that details on Sunday during my hours curbside. 🙄



So sorry this happened to you! My worst nightmare because I am female and travel alone a lot. 2things: 1. is this shift to neutral problem on all AWD MDX? I have 2023 Advanced AWD. So if engine is dead exactly what type wrecker assistance needs to be requested? 2. It has been my experience when stranded to call 911 and advise of situation and ask for wrecker assistance. This seems to get a quicker tow response if dispatched through law enforcement. Of course, Atlanta may be a whole other thing! It’s not free but I wouldn’t want to be by myself on the side of the road for that length of time!
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Those are the 2 things I fear most, the car being dead and not being able to put it in neutral to move it, and being at the mercy of AAA, as they suck here in NJ/PA when you actually need a tow. I don’t have a type S but I have shelves in my garage so I can’t open the hood to jump it or get at the transmission bolt. I guess I’d be better off with the type s as the battery is in the back? I just don’t understand how Honda thinks it’s acceptable to not be able to go into neutral unless the engine is running.
The transmission seems like a huge design fail to me…the tech said it was because of the push button selector but wasn’t the previous 9 speed a pushbutton tranny too? Or am I all wrong there?

That bolt you can turn on the side isn’t any help…you have to get a tool on it and it’s about 18” down the side of the engine compartment…which would be a bit hot during a roadside stop…AND …once you do get your arm down there and a tool on the end of it…I believe you have to rotate it AND hold it there to keep it in N…so let’s recap…open hood, insert arm, rotate bolt, hold in position, your vehicle is in N now…but don’t let go of that bolt 😀.

So, I’m not sure how useful that is for actually moving the vehicle during a roadside emergency 🤷🏼‍♂️

Those are the 2 things I fear most, the car being dead and not being able to put it in neutral to move it, and being at the mercy of AAA, as they suck here in NJ/PA when you actually need a tow. I don’t have a type S but I have shelves in my garage so I can’t open the hood to jump it or get at the transmission bolt. I guess I’d be better off with the type s as the battery is in the back? I just don’t understand how Honda thinks it’s acceptable to not be able to go into neutral unless the engine is running.
So, long time lurker, first time poster…

2022 Type S Advance, 17,100 mi currently, purchased Apr 2022

This past Sunday afternoon we had a major breakdown that was worsened by the intersection of 2 other ‘problems’.

1. The actual breakdown…driving down a multi-lane road and everything appears perfectly normal and as I proceeded from a stop in traffic and pressed the gas pedal, a sound I would liken to a T-Shirt Air Cannon going off, followed by much louder turbo spool-up sound and then a Christmas light show on the dash and very reduced power from the vehicle.
I managed to get to a turn lane and a safe side street, with my 5 passengers onboard.
I thought that maybe a shutdown and restart might help, but the very mechanical nature of the breakdown sounds made me very skeptical. Restart simple resulted in a normal ignition, climb to 1000rpm and then 5 seconds later it would just die with weird turbo spool noises and then the Christmas Tree light show ensued again. Onscreen warnings were basically as follows…they were either about equipment no longer working, or warning it was malfunctioning, and to see the dealer…


Air suspension
Emergency brake
Emissions system
Power steering
Braking system
VSA
Hill start assist
Trailer stability control
Adaptive cruise
Collision
Road departure
Low speed braking
Auto high beam

Obviously, not all, or likely any, are actually failed in this moment, but the vehicle is having some sort cascade controls meltdown on the side of the road.
So, I press the button for roadside assistance and pop the hood…while making arrangements for my 5 passengers to get a ride to our ultimate destination.

2. Roadside Assistance…this is where the real fun begins. So, Acura uses AAA for roadside towing/carrier emergencies, fair enough, or so I thought. Told them in advance that it was AWD and would not shift into Neutral (FYI - because engine not running and crappy 10spd tranny design). Apparently, the local contract towing company had a broken tow truck and wasn’t available and others weren’t picking up the phone. So, they had to look further afield and apparently it was a busy towing day in Greater Atlanta and nothing was available on short notice. I even tried calling private tow companies and AAA directly, no luck on either front there either. Acura Roadside wasn’t good at calling me back or getting results, which ended up with me (on my own) waiting for about 7 hours until a truck came. Not their fault about local tow situation but they weren’t so good on communication due to lack of call back comment above..but also because of how they communicated tow pick up times…’estimated arrive time’ in texts and phone conversations only means exactly that. It also means they don’t have a tow actually booked, it’s just their ‘estimate’ after putting a request out into their booking system…actual times may vary…by a lot…in my case the 90 minute ‘estimate’ turned into 7.5 hrs to be precise. My ignorance here I guess…lessons learned, but Acura NEVER volunteered updates on arrival times or the estimate vs actual, I had to pretty much beat that out of them myself, figuratively…tho as time went on I did want to hurt them, just a little bit, or maybe a lot as 330pm turned into 1030pm.

3. The Pick-up…first truck was a flat bed, not good…needed a tow with dolly because of the Neutral issue. Simple reality here, and it has been discussed on this site I know…which was why I told folks upfront that the vehicle won’t go into Neutral. If the engine won’t run, or stay running in this case, it will not go into N and it cannot be pulled onto a flatbed. There is some rotatable bolt on the side of the bell-housing but that’s a joke and it’s not helpful at all. So, if you need a tow and your MDX is a brick, gotta insist on a tow w/dollies and be sure to set your suspension to Tow Mode and High for the shut off setting…if you are actually able to do so.

4. The fix…as it sounded like, it was the outlet of the turbo, loose clamps gave out and the hose blew off. It’s on the underside of the engine, or thereabouts, not visible from above and need to get it on a hoist, remove the underside tray and then can quickly see it. Took them 40 minutes to get the car in the bay and running again. That’s it. 😐

Runs fine, no light show, no hose damage and no visible towing damage. Drama over…for now…sigh.
I'm so sorry you had to go through that horrible experience.

That's one of my biggest fear of owning a car is being stuck on a roadside because of mechanical issues

Thanks for sharing this info with what cause it and what they did to fix it.

I will be watching my type s very closely now 👀!
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First, really sorry you had to deal with that mess of a tow situation. Absolutley awful.

Second, this is the first i'm hearing about not being able to put an AWD MDX into N if the car is dead. That is awful. You would think there would be a manual switch or soemthing if in an emergency situation. Thanks Honda. (n)
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Was the charge pipe clamp that failed an aftermarket silicone coupler/clamp, or was it an OEM one that popped off?
Bmw had something similar. On my 335i with higher boost it was prone to break. On my X3 all stock, it burst right as I was trying to accelerate around an idiot turning left into a “no-entry exit” on a down hill busy street. Heard the pop, had no power, heard the infamous chime, instant $1000 gut wrenching feeling.
As for the MDX. I think you might be the 1% who will have this issue with the pipe. But … for the transmission or feeling of helplessness when you can’t get it towed or moved is going to be every MDX. They need to make it a cable latch from within the footwell of the drivers area. A driver needs to be able to access a manual release without having to get under the hood or in the wheel-well area.

For those not familiar, this is what the release looks like.

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totally stock under the hood currently, it’s my wife’s daily driver…so OEM clamps and hoses, and the clamp slipped off the hose connection according to the dealer. I’m definitely going to have them inspect it when I’m due for my next oil change and service in about 5000mi…and I want to put eyes on it myself too.

And that mechanism in your picture is definitely there on the bell housing of the transmission…I put a hand on it, but it’s a solid 18” reach down into the engine bay and you’ll need a very narrow wrench or socket driver to make it do anything, and if you don’t have your tools with you there on the roadside, you’re gonna be pretty much screwed. So having some level of control via other means would certainly be an improvement.


Was the charge pipe clamp that failed an aftermarket silicone coupler/clamp, or was it an OEM one that popped off?
Bmw had something similar. On my 335i with higher boost it was prone to break. On my X3 all stock, it burst right as I was trying to accelerate around an idiot turning left into a “no-entry exit” on a down hill busy street. Heard the pop, had no power, heard the infamous chime, instant $1000 gut wrenching feeling.
As for the MDX. I think you might be the 1% who will have this issue with the pipe. But … for the transmission or feeling of helplessness when you can’t get it towed or moved is going to be every MDX. They need to make it a cable latch from within the footwell of the drivers area. A driver needs to be able to access a manual release without having to get under the hood or in the wheel-well area.

For those not familiar, this is what the release looks like.

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Oh yeah it’s far down out of reach. They made a tool for the previous generation (locks in neutral) but just as I’ve complained about the oil filter after-thought, they did the same for the neutral release.
Even if the old tool could be reused ( probably different shape) , it’s in such a bad location on the MDX, you would have to remove the battery to gain access to it. Not much room from the bottom wheel well.

They need to get this figured out .
Access on the Type S is marginally better, but only because they moved the battery to the rear of the vehicle. Still sux tho and so does this ‘feature’ 👎🏻

Oh yeah it’s far down out of reach. They made a tool for the previous generation (locks in neutral) but just as I’ve complained about the oil filter after-thought, they did the same for the neutral release.
Even if the old tool could be reused ( probably different shape) , it’s in such a bad location on the MDX, you would have to remove the battery to gain access to it. Not much room from the bottom wheel well.

They need to get this figured out .
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So, long time lurker, first time poster…

2022 Type S Advance, 17,100 mi currently, purchased Apr 2022

This past Sunday afternoon we had a major breakdown that was worsened by the intersection of 2 other ‘problems’.

1. The actual breakdown…driving down a multi-lane road and everything appears perfectly normal and as I proceeded from a stop in traffic and pressed the gas pedal, a sound I would liken to a T-Shirt Air Cannon going off, followed by much louder turbo spool-up sound and then a Christmas light show on the dash and very reduced power from the vehicle.
I managed to get to a turn lane and a safe side street, with my 5 passengers onboard.
I thought that maybe a shutdown and restart might help, but the very mechanical nature of the breakdown sounds made me very skeptical. Restart simple resulted in a normal ignition, climb to 1000rpm and then 5 seconds later it would just die with weird turbo spool noises and then the Christmas Tree light show ensued again. Onscreen warnings were basically as follows…they were either about equipment no longer working, or warning it was malfunctioning, and to see the dealer…


Air suspension
Emergency brake
Emissions system
Power steering
Braking system
VSA
Hill start assist
Trailer stability control
Adaptive cruise
Collision
Road departure
Low speed braking
Auto high beam

Obviously, not all, or likely any, are actually failed in this moment, but the vehicle is having some sort cascade controls meltdown on the side of the road.
So, I press the button for roadside assistance and pop the hood…while making arrangements for my 5 passengers to get a ride to our ultimate destination.

2. Roadside Assistance…this is where the real fun begins. So, Acura uses AAA for roadside towing/carrier emergencies, fair enough, or so I thought. Told them in advance that it was AWD and would not shift into Neutral (FYI - because engine not running and crappy 10spd tranny design). Apparently, the local contract towing company had a broken tow truck and wasn’t available and others weren’t picking up the phone. So, they had to look further afield and apparently it was a busy towing day in Greater Atlanta and nothing was available on short notice. I even tried calling private tow companies and AAA directly, no luck on either front there either. Acura Roadside wasn’t good at calling me back or getting results, which ended up with me (on my own) waiting for about 7 hours until a truck came. Not their fault about local tow situation but they weren’t so good on communication due to lack of call back comment above..but also because of how they communicated tow pick up times…’estimated arrive time’ in texts and phone conversations only means exactly that. It also means they don’t have a tow actually booked, it’s just their ‘estimate’ after putting a request out into their booking system…actual times may vary…by a lot…in my case the 90 minute ‘estimate’ turned into 7.5 hrs to be precise. My ignorance here I guess…lessons learned, but Acura NEVER volunteered updates on arrival times or the estimate vs actual, I had to pretty much beat that out of them myself, figuratively…tho as time went on I did want to hurt them, just a little bit, or maybe a lot as 330pm turned into 1030pm.

3. The Pick-up…first truck was a flat bed, not good…needed a tow with dolly because of the Neutral issue. Simple reality here, and it has been discussed on this site I know…which was why I told folks upfront that the vehicle won’t go into Neutral. If the engine won’t run, or stay running in this case, it will not go into N and it cannot be pulled onto a flatbed. There is some rotatable bolt on the side of the bell-housing but that’s a joke and it’s not helpful at all. So, if you need a tow and your MDX is a brick, gotta insist on a tow w/dollies and be sure to set your suspension to Tow Mode and High for the shut off setting…if you are actually able to do so.

4. The fix…as it sounded like, it was the outlet of the turbo, loose clamps gave out and the hose blew off. It’s on the underside of the engine, or thereabouts, not visible from above and need to get it on a hoist, remove the underside tray and then can quickly see it. Took them 40 minutes to get the car in the bay and running again. That’s it. 😐

Runs fine, no light show, no hose damage and no visible towing damage. Drama over…for now…sigh.
If this happened to me (and it could, I own a TLX with the same xmission) I'd file a report with the NTSB as the inability to move the vehicle (no neutral) constitutes a potential safety hazard. Filing the report is a PITA (government web site after all) but it doesn't take many reports from the field (that's us) before they start writing letters and calling manufacturers and asking hard questions.
Is it the NTSB or rather the the NHTSA? With the latter being the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

I think the NTSB is more about investigating actual accident events and making safety recommendations after.

I may just look at putting something in, thx for the pointer! 👍🏻👍🏻



If this happened to me (and it could, I own a TLX with the same xmission) I'd file a report with the NTSB as the inability to move the vehicle (no neutral) constitutes a potential safety hazard. Filing the report is a PITA (government web site after all) but it doesn't take many reports from the field (that's us) before they start writing letters and calling manufacturers and asking hard questions.
Is it the NTSB or rather the the NHTSA? With the latter being the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

I think the NTSB is more about investigating actual accident events and making safety recommendations after.

I may just look at putting something in, thx for the pointer! 👍🏻👍🏻

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You are correct. My mistake. Thanks.

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Is there any instructions on how to put the car in neutral using the "control" on the side of the trans?

I scoured the owners manual, there is not even the slightest mention of this.

I suppose a flatbed could use dolly's to drag the car onto the truck, but an extra step is never nice.
There’s nothing, other than a dude who made a video online…but I did confirm its existence with the Service Tech and I have seen it myself…although I’m not sure it works, just assuming it does.

In terms of the dollies, you still need to request a truck with dollies…most don’t have them from what I was told on Sunday and the ones that do are primarily of the tow truck variety as opposed to the flat bed ones.




If this happened to me (and it could, I own a TLX with the same xmission) I'd file a report with the NTSB as the inability to move the vehicle (no neutral) constitutes a potential safety hazard. Filing the report is a PITA (government web site after all) but it doesn't take many reports from the field (that's us) before they start writing letters and calling manufacturers and asking hard questions.
Is there any instructions on how to put the car in neutral using the "control" on the side of the trans?

I scoured the owners manual, there is not even the slightest mention of this.

I suppose a flatbed could use dolly's to drag the car onto the truck, but an extra step is never nice.
What a dumb idea, not being able to change to neutral when the engine is off. Has this always been the case. How about the 2014s.
Is there any instructions on how to put the car in neutral using the "control" on the side of the trans?

I scoured the owners manual, there is not even the slightest mention of this.

I suppose a flatbed could use dolly's to drag the car onto the truck, but an extra step is never nice.
There’s no mention anywhere by Honda of a procedure or this limitation. I thought/assumed that as long as you had electric power you could shift to neutral but no. We also have a CRV hybrid, and there appears to be no bypass either, as there is no "transmission", it is electric motor driven below 80 mph. There is no mention in its manual for this emergency.
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