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Hi All,

Wanted to get the thoughts on the fellow MDXers to ask whether its worthwhile pulling the trigger on a 2009 Acura MDX TECH - with 95K miles for around $16K

What are the pros and cons? Im just worried about the high mileage - how long with good maintainence would they normally run for.
Seems like one previous owner
20 Service history records.

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Just my opinion. 95000 miles or 152000 kilometers seems average. The price seems a tad high though.

One owner with service records is good though.

Any rust on the car at all? Even a bit? Any dings, scratches, scuffs? What is the condition of the inside? The upholstery? Has the vehicle ever been in an accident? Has the timing belt/water pump been changed yet?
 

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^ Yeah but 2010 and up has problems with Burning Oil... So its again PROs vs CONs.
 

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True true? only Honda knows we can only make guesses with the amount of people reporting on the site and the amount of reports on carcomplaints sites. All I Know its high enough to be the number 1 concern on the 2010-2013 models
 

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I don't quite understand this oil burning issue. I have a 2010 with about 85K and I have no oil problems. Of course I have always changed my own oil. Maybe that has something to do with it....I really don't know. But then again, I have a Toyota 4-Runner with over 200K...and hell it doesn't burn oil either. Do you guys have oil leaks or burning oil? How exactly are you short on oil? Are you all using the correct oil? I guess the oil problem doesn't apply to all the 2010 MDX's.
 

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It seems to be pretty random to be honest, we also have to take into consideration the amount of people that does not have a burning issue and do not go into the forums vs the people that do have an issue and that is why they join the forums. There can also be a lot of folks and this is serious, that think that burning oil is normal! They just keep adding and call it a day without considering it could be an issue.

If you don´t have an Issue that is great but the issue is with the Cylinders Liner being bad those who have burning oil problems could have maintained the car in pristine condition it doesn´t matter, This is 100% issue of the manufacturing process of the J37 Block in the 2010-2013 models and that is why Honda & Acura are changing or fixing the blocks for free.

Since its quite common to hear these problems I would not want to buy any 2010-2013 model for that matter even if its better than the 2007-2009.
Just like I would not buy an early 1st Gen because all the transmission issues.
 

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It seems to be pretty random to be honest, we also have to take into consideration the amount of people that does not have a burning issue and do not go into the forums vs the people that do have an issue and that is why they join the forums. There can also be a lot of folks and this is serious, that think that burning oil is normal! They just keep adding and call it a day without considering it could be an issue.

If you don´t have an Issue that is great but the issue is with the Cylinders Liner being bad those who have burning oil problems could have maintained the car in pristine condition it doesn´t matter, This is 100% issue of the manufacturing process of the J37 Block in the 2010-2013 models and that is why Honda & Acura are changing or fixing the blocks for free.

Since its quite common to hear these problems I would not want to buy any 2010-2013 model for that matter even if its better than the 2007-2009.
Just like I would not buy an early 1st Gen because all the transmission issues.

How many 2010-2013 MDX's sold, versus complaints here....? Math and facts can be a pesky thing. Some folks are afraid to fly too.

Now watch my oil be a half a quart low... :)
 

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I am one of those that bought an early 2G TL and had transmission issues... Its soo widespread now that I rarely believe people saying they got an original trans with no issues when I had to replace 2 transmissions and I am now running an AV6 Swap I still have the car but now with a modern transmission.

I think its the same deal now for the guys saying there is no Burning Issues on the facelift 2G MDX... From the amount of complaints and threads out there they seem to be the minority.
 

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There has been reports of 2007-2008-2009 burning oil but they seem to be very isolated issues probably due to bad maintenance so they are very different vs the number 1 complaints like it is on the 2010-2013 models as per the Carcomplaint sites, This also added to the fact Honda & Acura changed the block cylinder lining for the J37 in the +2010 MDXs seems to fit the issue more clearly.

Let me break down those #1 Complaints for you:

2007: HFL Unit
2008: HFL Unit
2009: HFL Unit
2010: Engine Burning Oil
2011: Engine Burning Oil
2012: Engine Burning Oil
2013: Engine Burning Oil

There seems to be a pattern here.
 

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Just my opinion. 95000 miles or 152000 kilometers seems average. The price seems a tad high though.

One owner with service records is good though.

Any rust on the car at all? Even a bit? Any dings, scratches, scuffs? What is the condition of the inside? The upholstery? Has the vehicle ever been in an accident? Has the timing belt/water pump been changed yet?
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@thegazelle - Would $15k seem more reasonable?

I didnt see any rust on the car but one of the wheel arch had a scrap, there were a few scratches (but prob just shows up coz the car is black.

The condition inside seems fine - there is a big ink stain on the passenger seat, according to carfax there is one owner and no accidents

How would I check if there has been issues with the timing belt/water pump been changed yet?

What should I check if I go out on a test drive? The car is being sold by a dealer.
 

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There is no visual way to know if the Timing Belt has been done, Unless they show records about it being replaced take it as You NEED to replace it! You can negotiate the price just because of this.. The Timing Belt Job is a 1-1.5K Service and its done every 105K or 7 Years.

When you go out for a test drive check for power delivery, The engine is a little sluggish in the low end but should come alive once past 4000RPM feel the Gear Changes they need to be firm and fast while under power if you feel hesitation or slippage that is no good.

If you can WOT it in a Ramp or in the highway (Obviously Keeping it at a Reasonable Speed) then that is the best test you can give it, If the engine is having issues you will know it under power.
 

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There has been reports of 2007-2008-2009 burning oil but they seem to be very isolated issues probably due to bad maintenance so they are very different vs the number 1 complaints like it is on the 2010-2013 models as per the Carcomplaint sites, This also added to the fact Honda & Acura changed the block cylinder lining for the J37 in the +2010 MDXs seems to fit the issue more clearly.

Let me break down those #1 Complaints for you:

2007: HFL Unit
2008: HFL Unit
2009: HFL Unit
2010: Engine Burning Oil
2011: Engine Burning Oil
2012: Engine Burning Oil
2013: Engine Burning Oil

There seems to be a pattern here.
Clearly a pattern, something is going on. However there is no way to effectively calculate risk. Bottom line, is let the market do the talking. If you traded an 09 and 10 into a dealer that were otherwise identical, the dealer would give you notably more for the 10. Check kbb and nada to confirm.

This leads me back to my advice for the op. It does seem a touch high for a 09 with 95k. However, being in the market myself, I will say clean 2g Mdx's of all mileage are going for above market.
 

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Thanks everyone

@thegazelle - Would $15k seem more reasonable?

I didnt see any rust on the car but one of the wheel arch had a scrap, there were a few scratches (but prob just shows up coz the car is black.

The condition inside seems fine - there is a big ink stain on the passenger seat, according to carfax there is one owner and no accidents

How would I check if there has been issues with the timing belt/water pump been changed yet?

What should I check if I go out on a test drive? The car is being sold by a dealer.
So to answer that question and provide some perspective...I just bought a 2008 MDX, with 117,000 KM (or 72,000 miles) and I paid $15000 Cdn. (or $11000 US). It is a technology + sport + RES package, and it is single owner always serviced at Acura. Price includes minor body work to remove some minor rust spots under one door and includes brand new set of ADS shocks (value = $6400.00 Cdn.) done by Acura as part of the deal as well as new power steering pump (from recall) at no cost to me. Inside is immaculate - no stains, tears, rips, etc. Have full service records, always done at Acura. No issues whatsoever - I have checked every single feature and button, and the only thing that has dumbfounded me is that I have to put in the nav code every time I start the car, but that is very, very, minor, since everything works.

I have since rust proofed it and bought a newer nav DVD.

The car drives like a dream. I have a 04 MDX which is fantastic, but the drive and comfort on the 08 is night and day. It feels more like a sporty car rather than a truck. Either way, I am an MDXer for life. I came from a Volvo XC90 which when it ran fine, was great, but over time, the repairs gone more frequent and way too expensive for this single father of three.

Several things to check: check the battery for corrosion on the posts and terminals. Check to make sure all lights and electronics work (I took about 40 minutes to check everything from a checklist I compiled beforehand). If you have the sport/elite version, check switch between comfort/sport and test the suspension. If you have tech package, check hands free link - some cars have had dead HFLs with battery drain so make sure you can pair your phone and make calls. That is minor. But you can tell a lot by the condition of the car, whether the previous owner took care of it. No accident is good but I would rather take a car that has been in a minor accident but babied by the owner otherwise, over one that has been in no accidents but neglected by the owner.

Regarding timing belt, the US recommended is 105,000 miles or 7 years. At 95,000 miles, it is running close to the mileage recommendation, but you are over 7 years now (the recommendation is whatever comes first). There is really no way to visually check a belt - even visually checking may not show all the cracks until the belt is removed (this happened on my 04 Volvo, of which I changed the timing belt two months ago, after finding out it has never been changed by previous owner). If you plan to buy the car, maybe negotiate in a timing belt change as part of the deal. Otherwise, for the peace of mind, I would just change it...better that and an outlay of $1000.00 + or whatever rather than getting a new engine. Again, if you have access to previous service records, or the dealer can get them, that would help. Mine has not been changed, and I will wait until 140,000 KM to change it since the car was clearly taken care of by previous owner.

If you are test driving, also listen for clunks and funny noises and check how the car idles.

If you get it, change the transmission fluid and brake fluid, and sparkplugs.

But my main observation here is that the price is too high. And it sounds like a couple of others share my assessment.
 

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if i could go back, i would have held out for a 2010 at least. 6 speed transmission slightly increasing mpg, updated nav with bluetooth audio.
Sorry a bit of a tangent here, in the big picture, things could definitely be worse- you/OP could be pricing out the UGLY 3rd generation MDX (a disguised minivan, confused looking creature of some sort concocted by a new very traditional, non risk taking design engineer- NOT the same guy who gave us the 2007-2013 MDX)...

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So, I'm a new 2013 MDX Tech owner... It's a CPO one owner and had 44,000 when purchased. I paid a lot for it, but it was still under NADA, KBB, Edmunds, ABC, 123, etc.... Anyway, I pulled the trigger back in February. Love it, the power and handling are incredible compared to my 1997 Tahoe 4X4 that was totaled out... *****!!! Are there any complaints of the engine not getting oiled properly at cold start up. When I start up in the morning I sometimes hear a little engine noise or clunking, knocking.... as soon as it warms up though there is no noise. And can only hear it from outside the vehicle. Any insight. I'm not experiencing any power loss that I can tell and shifting is crisp. Thanks.
 
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