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Let's give this a try. The first five posts of this thread will contain information on changes for the 2003 MDX.

The inevitable posts after the first five may consist of questions, rumors, facts, wish lists, etc. But the first five posts of this thread are "locked into place" and will be updated by me or by a Moderator here (Moderators can edit these messages).
 

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Post 2 - Changes confirmed by Acura or by actually happening

This post will contain changes that are confirmed directly by Acura (brochure, press release, etc.), and/or have actually come to pass. Thus, these are the "real deal" and actual fact.

9/20/2002: Acura Releases Pricing

Prices do not include $500 destination charge

2003 MDX Base (Premium) $35,700
2003 MDX Touring Package $38,300
2003 MDX Touring Package w/Acura DVD Entertainment System $39,800
2003 MDX Touring Package with Nav System $40,500
2003 MDX Touring Package w/Nav System and Acura DVD Ent Sys $42,000

Thus,
- Touring adds $2,600
- Navi (with rear-view camera included) adds $2,200
- DVD Entertainment Sys adds $1,500

<a href="http://www.hondanews.com/Forms/corp/*ws4d-db-query-Show.ws4d?*ws4d-db-query-Show***003718***-wieck_media***-***corp(directory)***.ws4d?corp/results(r)_text.html">Click here for the Acura news release</a>

9/18/2002: Acura Releases Official Information

http://hondanews.com/Forms/acura/*ws4d-db-query-Show.ws4d?*ws4d-db-query-Show***003392***-wieck_media***-***acura(directory)***.ws4d?acura/results(r)_text.html

http://hondanews.com/Forms/acura/*ws4d-db-query-Show.ws4d?*ws4d-db-query-Show***003393***-wieck_media***-***acura(directory)***.ws4d?acura/results(r)_text.html

http://hondanews.com/Forms/acura/*ws4d-db-query-Show.ws4d?*ws4d-db-query-Show***003376***-wieck_media***-***acura(directory)***.ws4d?acura/results(r)_text.html

http://hondanews.com/Forms/acura/MDX/index_text2.html?KW=MDXtech+currentacura

http://hondanews.com/Forms/acura/MDX/seetext?2002091853997

http://hondanews.com/Forms/acura/MDX/seetext?2002091854893

http://hondanews.com/Forms/acura/MDX/index_images.html?kw=currentacura

Highlights

Horsepower increases from 240 to 260, while torque increases from 242 lb-ft to 250 lb-ft

Acura claims both 0-60 and 1/4 mile accelerations improves 0.4 seconds

Still uses premium gas.

Vehicle is now ULEV-2 compliant (first SUV).

No change in EPA fuel economy.

All-new compact 5-speed automatic transmission, smoother shifting

Drive-by-wire throttle

Refined steering system for enhanced feel and reduced kickback

Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) (stability control)

VTM-4 recalibrated; torque distribution to the rear wheels increased by up to 30 percent

New dual-piston front brake calipers for enhanced stopping power

Revised suspension settings

35 percent increase in dynamic torsional body rigidity for a smoother ride and better handling

Refined steering system for enhanced feel and reduced kickback

Available Acura DVD Entertainment System with headphones and remote control

Improvements to the optional Acura Navigation System including:
o Voice recognition
o Enhanced graphics.
o Rearview camera
o Expanded US data base coverage

Dual-stage, dual-threshold front airbags

Additional front airbag sensors and new system control logic

New alloy wheel design

Auto-up driver's side window with auto-reverse

Rain sensing windshield wipers (Touring Package)

Auto on/off headlights

New exterior colors:
o Midnight Blue Pearl
o Sage Brush Pearl
o Sandstone Metallic

New interior color-Quartz

Rear splash guards now standard

New accessories include:
- Wood-grain trim panel for the DVD system
- Back up Sensors and Attachment
- Luggage Basket
- Short Roof Box

Horsepower
2002: 240 hp @ 5,300 rpm
2003: 260 hp @ 5,750 rpm

Torque
2002: 245 lbs.-ft. @ 3,000-5,000 rpm
2003: 250 lbs-ft @ 3,500-5,000 rpm

Redline
2002: 5,500 rpm
2003: 6,300 rpm

Crankcase Refill Capacity, including filter
2002: 5.6 quarts
2003: 4.5 quarts

Fuel Tank Capacity
Same (19.2 gallons)

Cooling System Capacity
2002: 9.3 Quarts
2003: 9.5 Quarts

Weight, Base / Touring wo Navi
2002: 4,332 lbs / 4,392 lbs
2003: 4,420 lbs / 4,473 lbs

Weight Distribution
2002: 58% / 42%
2003: 49.5% / 50.55 (This is an error on Acura's part)

Gear ratio changes
2002:
I 2.563
II 1.552
III 1.021
IV 0.727
V 0.520
REV 1.846
Final drive: 4.428

2003:
I 2.693
II 1.566
III 1.023
IV 0.729
V 0.531
REV 1.889
Final drive: 4.375

Cargo Capacity Behind first row (2nd/3rd row folded)
2002: 82.0 cubic feet
2003: 81.5 cubic feet
(Passenger volume, and cargo capacity behind the 2nd row with the third row folded stays the same.)

Other
Turning circle is the same.

Torque/HP Curve Comparison between 2002 and 2003

From VicPai's analysis of the 2002 and 2003 MDX brochures:

1500RPM
02 MDX - 75bhp / 207lb.ft.
03 MDX - 110bhp / 223lb.ft.

2500RPM
02 MDX - 118bhp / 233lb.ft.
03 MDX - 150bhp / 240lb.ft.

3000RPM
02MDX - 145bhp / 240lb.ft.
03MDX - 170bhp / 247lb.ft.

4000RPM
02MDX - 195bhp / 245lb.ft.
03MDX - 215bhp / 250lb.ft.

5000RPM
02MDX - 237bhp / 245lb.ft.
03MDX - 245bhp / 250lb.ft.

More Specs

From Jamie Stockman:

Displacement: 3.5 Liters
Horsepower: [email protected]
Torque: [email protected] 3500-5000
Redline: 6,300
Compression Ratio: 10.0:1
Emissions: ULEV-2
Bore and Stroke: 3.50 x 3.66
Alternator: 130 maximum
Final Drive Ratio: 4.375
Steering Wheel Turns: 3.22
Steering Ratio: 16.9:1
Turn Circle: 38.0
Wheels / Tires: 17 Inch, P235/65R17 103T
Wheelbase: 106.3
Overall Length: 188.5
Overall Width: 77.0
Height with Rack: 71.3
Minimum Clearance: 8.0
Track F & R: 66.3 / 66.5
Curb Weight Base, Tour, Tour w/ E&N: 4,420/4,473/4,504
Weight Distribution: 50/50
Gross Weight: 5732
Towing Capacity: 3,500 / 4,500 Boat
Maximum Tongue Weight: 350
Maximum Cargo Volume: 82.0
Engine Oil with Filter: 4.5 Quarts
Fuel Tank: 19.2 Gallons
Cooling System: 9.5 Quarts
EPA Est: 17/23

Other
(From Jamie Stockman, and confirmed by members placing orders)
Your dealers can begin ordering 2003 MDX's for October production on Friday [8/23] and the order time will close next Tuesday [8/27].

Interestingly, the following item has not been announced for the 2003 MDX. It may be, that since Acura claimed the MDX would have it, that it will be available later (in the 2003 model year?).

XM Satellite Radio (here is the <a href="http://www.hondanews.com/Forms/corp/*ws4d-db-query-Show.ws4d?*ws4d-db-query-Show***003255***-wieck_media***-***corp(directory)***.ws4d?corp/results(r)_text.html">link<a> to the actual press release from Honda).
 

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Post 3 - Changes confirmed by highly reliable sources

These are "factual" changes that have not been confirmed by Acura directly, but have been confirmed by highly reliable sources. E.g. Jamie Stockman, or, alternatively, members of the press who are reliable and have not heeded Acura's embargo on information.

Please note that while this information is from highly reliable sources, there is always the possibility that Acura may make a last-minute change. These changes have not been confirmed by Acura!

(From Jamie Stockman) "Acura dealers will be locking in all November MDX orders one week from today, on the 24th. You can now order the Navigation system as well as the new Quartz interior. Any of you specifically wanting these options should make sure your dealer knows your intentions. They can begin ordering them this Friday and the order period closes next Tuesday."

Colors available, with color codes (courtesy of Jamie Stockman):
BE / SL SANDSTONE / SADDLE
BX / SL NIGHTHAWK BLACK / SADDLE
BK / EN NIGHTHAWK BLACK / EBONY
SL / QZ STARLIGHT SILVER / QUARTZ
SL / EN STARLIGHT SILVER / EBONY
BL / EN HAVASAU BLUE / EBONY
BM / SL MIDNIGHT BLUE / SADDLE
WX / SL WHITE / SADDLE
WH / QZ WHITE / QUARTZ
RE / SL REDROCK / SADDLE
GY / QZ SAGEBRUSH / QUARTZ

(From Jamie Stockman)
The following are confirmed items for the 2003 MDX October Production:

New colors that are available for October Build:
Sandstone Metallic / Saddle Leather
Midnight Blue Pearl / Saddle Leather
(Each is limited to 15% of a dealer's total October production order)

Begining in November Production, the following will be available for the MDX:
New Quartz Interior Leather
New Sage Brush Exterior
Touring with Navigation
Touring with R.E.S. & Navigation
 

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Post 4 - Changes not confirmed but strongly suggested

These are changes that had been reported broadly and were considered by many to be fairly likely, and/or were reported by reliable sources but they have been unable to fully confirm.

[9/18/2002]
Now that Acura has formally announced changes, it's clear that both of these rumored changes are in the 2003, with the following modifications.

260+ horsepower -- it's 260 HP, with a small torque increase.

Rear-mounted camera (accessory) -- it's actually not an accessory, but an integral part of the Navigation option. You buy the navigation system, you get the rear-mounted camera (Navigation add-on has increased in price of $200). It is not a dealer-installed accessory like it is on the Pilot.
 

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Post 5 - Changes that are just unconfirmed rumor

These are changes that had not been confirmed, and were strictly rumor. There was a strong chance that many of these would not make it into the 2003 MDX.

[9/18/2002]
Acura has announced changes, and, for a hindsight analysis, each rumored change is commented on below.

3.8 liter V6 [No!]

Side curtain airbags. [No!]

Voice-activated navigation (perhaps not available initially but later in 2003). [Yes!]

VSA (Vehicle Stability Assist, or Acura's version of stability control). [Yes!]

Xenon headlamps. [No!]

Upgraded interior. [Not really, at least not better leather and real wood.]

Pricing! [Now announced, see posts above this one.]

Sport-tuned suspension. [Arguably, yes; suspension has been re-tuned.]

"Enhanced" transmission. [Sort of; it's a new transmission with different gearing ratios, but it is not an auto/manual SportShift transmission as had been rumored.]
 

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Anything after this post is not necessarily factual.
 

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Very Impressive facts no speculation. You did an excellent job.
 

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as far as post three, my opinion is that it is acura confirmed. my dealer showed me a fax from acura to his dealership which had the color combinations and models on it.
 

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Those color choices look like the fax we saw at our dealer whe we placed our order for a base MDX last week. They don't have any color chips yet though. I ordered Midnight Blue/Saddle and the partial VIN on the contract is 2HNYD182.

Sue:29:
 

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Retired Colors

I just want to add that with the new colors coming out, the following will no longer be available ...

Mesa Beige Metallic - replaced by Sandstone Metallic
Granite Green Metallic - replaced by Sage Brush Pearl
Deep Mahogany Pearl - replaced by Midnight Blue Pearl

Just my 2 cents.
 

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BELOSH said:
as far as post three, my opinion is that it is acura confirmed. my dealer showed me a fax from acura to his dealership which had the color combinations and models on it.
One difficulty I am having with figuring out what is "confirmed" is how to treat the various reports from dealers and from people who have been at dealers.

E.g. Cassie (a dealer) has posted some information that has been received on a fax from Acura -- regarding the availability of voice navigation. However, later on, the faxed information was amended to say that it would not be available initially. That "change" made me wonder how accurate the faxed info from Acura is!!!

Thus, I took an extremely conservative approach in assigning items (none so far) to the "confirmed by Acura section." We already have one example where the Acura fax was not correct!

Please note that I am not implying that Cassie or people who have visited their dealers are not reliable. I think that the information out now is fairly dynamic and it is really hard to figure out which is correct.

I've decided to weight Jamie's items highly, in post 3. Jamie has a track record of providing accurate information (e.g. back at the initial launch of the MDX in 2000, on Edmunds Townhall). Jamie has also posted his full, real name, and, though he takes pains not to solicit clients on-line, the name of his dealership is available. Thus there's no mystery of who he is. And even Jamie's information is not in the "confirmed by Acura section," yet.

A greater difficulty will come later when someone says they have seen an Acura brochure or a dealer Acura ordering page. If it comes from someone like, TheWorm, I'd certainly consider it a highly reliable source. If it comes from someone who has posted just twice on our system, what do I do? I certainly don't want to start an argument here! I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

I suppose this is an example of how difficult it can be to report the news!
 

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William, here's my take on this....

wmquan said:
E.g. Cassie (a dealer) has posted some information that has been received on a fax from Acura -- regarding the availability of voice navigation. However, later on, the faxed information was amended to say that it would not be available initially. That "change" made me wonder how accurate the faxed info from Acura is!!!
.........Although this may sound a bit far fetched, logic and reason (and a bit of wishful thinking, of course) tells me that this is what happened: CASSIE received this fax confirming the VOICE ACITVATED NAVI, then someone at Acura Corporate realized that CASSIE had "let the cat out of the bag" and people were all going to wait for the 2003 model. So in order to "kinda fix this" they verbally told CASSIE that they'd made a mistake. Now this would create uncertainty as to the availability of the new "2nd generation Navi"

The reason I came to this conclusion is because I cannot understand for the life of me how they could offer such an advanced Navi system on a bread-and-butter Accord and not offer it on one of their flagship 40K+ yet-to-be-released models........If this was reality IT WOULD BE LUDICROUS :mad:

I simply don't buy lame excuses such as "there was not enough time to develop it for the MDX"....that is a bunch of boloney :rolleyes: .......Honda and Acura are the same company...so when they started developing the new generation Navi for the Accord they had to have known that it will have to be offered on their MORE EXPENSIVE vehicles as well

BOTTOM LINE: They had better offer this 2nd generation Navi on the 2003 MDX or there will be a lot of REALLY PISS*D OFF people around......and I guess that goes for Side-Curtain Airbags as well, especially since the run-of-the-mill Accord has it and also taking into account all the bragging Honda has been doing lately on safety of it's vehicles!

FYI, I have put a $500 deposit down on a Midnight Blue/Saddle MDX with Navigation/Touring/R.E.S. system based on the premise that it's going to get this 2ND GENERATION ACURA NAVI........the dealership General Manager assured me that he is literally and physically sure I will be holding the keys to my 2003 MDX as I personally spoke with him and told him the purchase was contingent upon the 2003 MDX having this New generation Voice-Acitvated Navi with SEVEN MILLION Points-Of-Interest and virtually complete detailed coverage of the U.S. (exactly like it's in the new Accord)
 

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Vic,

Glad to see you put down the deposit.

I understand your contention, and hopefully that is indeed the case. However, I think at this point, it's still speculation. Honda/Acura has left people shaking their heads before on missing features that are on other models (less expensive ones, to boot), or on competitors, so who knows what will really happen.

IMHO, I can't believe that Acura is going to add all the goodies some people want in 2003 (voice navi, side curtains, VSA, upgraded interior, xenons, bigger engine). They have to keep the price of the vehicle in line, plus they'll probably want to save some features for future models. My guess is that they'll add some but not all. But that's just more speculation on my part.
 

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New, more expensive MDX line

William,

With my pending purchase, I've been constantly bugging the local dealer about any information on the '03 models. Unfortunately, there really is nothing new he can offer than what's already on this list. However, he promised to call me as soon as he has something.

Anyway, I was at the dealer last weekend for a test drive. One thing he mentioned that really struck me was Acura's plan to abandon the current line and completely redesign the MDX come late '03. He said the new models will be more luxurious and will be priced starting at around $48K. This, he said, is Acura's move to distance the MDX from its cousin, the Pilot. IMHO, Acura might be holding back these nice features (voice, 2nd gen Navi, HID, etc.) on the early '03 models hoping to entice the public into buying the more expensive ones come time they are released.

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So I finally went ahead and gave my $500.00 as deposit for a '02 SS Tour/Navi MDX. With the dealer giving me the option of switching, I am hoping to learn more about the '03 MDXs and finally decide if the new options and improvements are worth the extra penny. Paying MSRP is really a bummer.

BTW, thanks for sifting the facts from all the noise.
 

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Sorry, don't take offense, I'm just making an example of you...

clockdrift said:
.... he promised to call me as soon as he has something.

...he mentioned that really struck me was Acura's plan to abandon the current line and completely redesign the MDX come late '03. He said the new models will be more luxurious and will be priced starting at around $48K. This, he said, is Acura's move to distance the MDX from its cousin, the Pilot. IMHO, Acura might be holding back these nice features (voice, 2nd gen Navi, HID, etc.) on the early '03 models hoping to entice the public into buying the more expensive ones come time they are released.

So I finally went ahead and gave my $500.00 as deposit for a '02 SS Tour/Navi MDX. With the dealer giving me the option of switching, I am hoping to learn more about the '03 MDXs and finally decide if the new options and improvements are worth the extra penny. Paying MSRP is really a bummer.

BTW, thanks for sifting the facts from all the noise.
ARE YOU a) a salesmen/troll b) ON drugs c) too guilible for your own good????

I suspect a) as you are practically encouraging folks to pay MSRP at the ABSOLUTE end of the model year.

If you are "b" on drugs -- have a nice trip! Automakers DO NOT "redesign" SUCCESSFUL models (or even UNSUCCESSFUL models) in their THIRD YEAR OF SMASH HIT SALES!!! Just doesn't happen! Honda is a pretty damned well run oraganization, they'd be the laughing stock of the industry if they WASTED the MILLIONS of development costs of the MDX to 'distance it from the Pilot' which is, BTW a friggin' RUNAWAY SMASH HIT BEST SELLER!

You might however be "c" -- WTF would a dealer need a DEPOSIT on an '02 for , if you've read this board AT ALL (or the Edmunds forum) you'd know that they have ALREADY SENT IT THEIR LAST ORDERS FOR '02s. They CANNOT ORDER ANY MORE! Even if Acura is going do a "mid-year model change" or 'rolling release' of certain features/options THIS WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT on '02s WHICH THEY WILL STOP BUILDING....

Suppose that Acura does something I don't think they (or their parent, or any competitors) have done -- they release a "completely redesigned" MDX late in '03-- a mean this isn't some super-secret plant that has no North American workers, guys on the lines would know about a radical redesign, there'd be news in the magazines about the thing, that would totally KILL ANY DEMAND for 'regular '03 MDXs???? Why bother with the color changes? Why bother with the Pilot AT ALL?

bizarro world

(then again I could be wrong...)
 

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Re: New, more expensive MDX line

clockdrift said:
William,

This, he said, is Acura's move to distance the MDX from its cousin, the Pilot. IMHO, Acura might be holding back these nice features (voice, 2nd gen Navi, HID, etc.) on the early '03 models hoping to entice the public into buying the more expensive ones come time they are released.

Right now I think the MDX 2002, although it may have similiar features and functions as the Pilot, has been able to maintained its distance from the Pilot in clearly obvious ways. And will continue to do so in 2003 and beyond.
 

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1. I am not a salesman, maybe a troll, never will take drugs and
might be too gulible for my own good. I live in the suburbs
and people here are generally nice (not to offend anyone). Have
been to different dealerships in the past 5 mos both near my home
and in the city and can really compare the difference in personality
and the way they conduct business. This particular dealer was my
pick not only because it was closer but primarily due to the good
rating this list gave ... not to mention the salesman patiently spending
the entire Saturday morning (their busiest day of the week)
answering all my questions and concerns while enjoying an extended
test-drive. There was absolutely ZERO pressure from him.

2. I am not encouraging people to pay MSRP. As a matter of fact, I was
discouraged at some point from buying the MDX because of Acura's
arrogance. I've haggled my way into buying my wife's CR-V and made
the salesman really work for his commission just to prove that I
scorn paying MSRP. IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT!!!

3. I never said the dealer hasn't placed the order yet. The car is
already on the way but the person buying it had problems with
his bank and decided to back out. I wasn't too picky with the color
and Starlite Silver ain't bad at all (as long as it was on a Touring
with Navi).

4. I never said the deposit was locked in. The deposit is 100% refundable
if, for any reason, I decide not to proceed with the purchase.

5. I am not too concerned about the car's resale value as I am looking
at owning this baby 'till it or I dies. I was hoping to get more
info on the new Xs to better decide if the difference is worth the
extra penny. The dealer know's for sure that the HID and rear camera
are deal breakers convincing me to switch.

6. Until Acura officially releases the specs, there really is nothing
anybody can do at this point but speculate. I was just trying to
contribute to the list and arouse further discussion. I know the
dealer was just voicing his thoughts and really has no way of backing
these up with undeniable proof ... BUT DID RESPECT HIS OPINION.
 

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Honda Slow to Change

My experience with Honda is that they:

** Are slow to change their models [probably too slow].

** Do build models that can last a while in the market.

** Do try and squeeze as much out of their investment [e.g. design] as possible.

Now, I know this is PURE OPINION on my part, but I do see evidence to this:

** Slow to Change: Look at how often they upgrade their models like Civic, Accord, TL, Ody, NSX, etc. The '03 Accord is awesome [opinion]. If they had done this a year earlier they might have really hurt Toyota!!

** Models Last: See Slow to Change above.

** Squeeze alot out of investment: Look at basing TL on Accord, MDX on Ody, Pilot on MDX, etc.

IMHO, this all points to the fact that "there ain't no way" that Honda would totally redesign the MDX.

WHAT THEY MIGHT DO: IMHO, a shrewd move on Honda's part would be to convert the Ody/MDX/Pilot to a hybrid. Don't know about you, but our MDX does pretty good on the open road; howerver, in the city it simply sucks gasoline. That instantaneous MPG indicator seems to peg itself on 0 MPG. Wouldn't the Ody/MDX/Pilot do really well if that city acceleration came from batteries instead of the engine? What a move this would be in my opinion -- a real killer -- heck, keep the 3.5 or even destroke it!! I think that would be the next "logical development step".
 

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FYI, I have put a $500 deposit down on a Midnight Blue/Saddle MDX with Navigation/Touring/R.E.S. system based on the premise that it's going to get this 2ND GENERATION ACURA NAVI........FYI, I have put a $500 deposit down on a Midnight Blue/Saddle MDX with Navigation/Touring/R.E.S. system based on the premise that it's going to get this 2ND GENERATION ACURA NAVI........
After 400+ posts! This has got to be some kind of record.
BTW, I read many of your informative posts in the past, but please indulge me and explain how the lack of an enhanced NAVI could be a deal-breaker.
 

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Believe it or not......

mdxpecting said:


After 400+ posts! This has got to be some kind of record.
BTW, I read many of your informative posts in the past, but please indulge me and explain how the lack of an enhanced NAVI could be a deal-breaker.
........it's this VOICE-ACTIVATED-NEXT-GENERATION DVD Navigation system that made me change my mind from the GX 470/2003 4 Runner that I was very seriously considering!!

I was never really a "Honda-person" before, but a couple years back my brother who's an avid Honda fan convinced me to at least take a look at the competing Acura 3.2TL, when I was considering the Lexus ES 300 :eek: .......and this was the first year (2000 model) that Acura had introduced a DVD Navigation System in a vehicle......Luckily for me, the salesman gave me a detailed lengthy demonstation of this incedibly amazing Navi system and I left the dealership in spanking new Blue 3.2TL/Navi that evening!!..........From this point on I've seen and extensively used many Navi systems (aftermarket and factory units), but none that can equal Acura's (even the Alpine aftermarket unit is not anywhere near close to being as good as Acura's and that really boggles my mind because Alpine makes the hardware for Acura)

To me, a Navigation System, especially one as accurate, comprehensive, well designed and well integrated, as the Acura unit is not merely a gimmick or gadget but an extremely useful and integral part of an automobile. IMHO, Acura has revolutionized the Automobile in this century by pioneering and introducing Navigation systems in vehicles!!

Now, that said, this new Next-generation Honda/Acura Navi is not merely enhanced, but improved and changed in almost every way. The "Voice-activation" feature, while it is neat, is not the prime reason for my placing so much emphasis on this, but rather the fact that this new Navigation system (knowing how much importance Honda places on this feature) is going to be much faster, has SEVEN MILLION Points-of-Interest (which is nothing short of amazing, considering there are TOTALLY 11 million registered business in the entire U.S. including every mom & pops shop) and has detailed coverage for every street and alley in the entire U.S......as well as many other significant improvements!

Now, to answer your question, the lack of this Navi would not change my decision to buy the MDX, but just delay it (maybe to the 2004 model, or whenever this new Navi becomes available), because it is inevitable that the MDX will eventually get it!!........I just hope they don't make me wait for it another year :rolleyes: .......because this time around I'm going to keep the vehicle I buy for a good 8 to 10 years and I have to be absolutely sure it has EVERYTHING I want (don't want to keep wasting money on new cars (depreciating assets) every so often, when I can put it to better, more productive uses or investments)
 
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