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Old 01-16-2013, 11:52 PM   #16 (permalink)
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We are lucky that we have a resident detail expert How's the Blackfire as far as durability? You already mentioned it was easy to apply like FK which I like.
I get about 6 months from the sealant, obviously less from the carnauba topper. My wash technique definitely helps extend the life of my sealants, so your results may vary.
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I am sure there are zillion of products that do a great job. As noted amply, the process ie prep and technique are as important if not more than the product used. As to which product lasts longer, there are zillion variables starting with how often you wash your car, how you wash your car, your climate, garaged or not, car cover or not, what type of roads you drive on, how many miles, etc.

Having said this, check your local body shop auto paint suppliers and see what most brand/product they have on their shelves - 3M! But marketing is king hence why you have forum wars on Zymol vs. Zaino. I have no personal gains in any of the products or brands and have tried many.
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Old 01-17-2013, 05:52 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Having said this, check your local body shop auto paint suppliers and see what most brand/product they have on their shelves - 3M! But marketing is king hence why you have forum wars on Zymol vs. Zaino. I have no personal gains in any of the products or brands and have tried many.
This is true, but I will have to add that there are still "bad" or "lower than average" products out there that will never touch any of my cars. Armor all and NuFinish to name a couple.

But as far as Zaino, Zymol, Meguiars, Dodo Juice, Finish Kare, etc. it all comes down to personal preference in terms of application, looks, and durability.

But more often than not like Jsilas said, it is technique. If the vehicle isn't properly prepped, we can put $200 wax on a neglected car and it will be pointless.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:20 PM   #19 (permalink)
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After reading more stuff from the interwebz, I looked into the Blackfire and Wolfgang products and came across this great read:

Review: Wolfgang vs. Blackfire - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum


And since the Wolfgang line was on sale (20% off), I went with it. I added an extra 10% off coupon too on top of the discount Code: AUTOPIA

Wolfgang Concours Series Car Care, paint sealant, german car care products, wolfgang paint sealant, car wax

I got this particular combo:

Wolfgang Deep Gloss Combo
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:44 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Looks like you made a great purchase! Make sure you post up photos of your results. Also, you may want to consider a carnauba topper for that Wolfgang sealant to take your look to the next level.

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I'm a huge fan of the Wolfgang sealant and I've used a lot of products from NXT (easy to find at Walmart) to Zaino (overrated). The Wolfgang sealant is easy on and easy off and lasts a long time. I usually, clay, polish, coat of sealant, and the top with P21S.
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Let us know how the Wolfgang products turn out. I have never used it. My favorite combo with my PC 7424 is Meguiar's M105 and M205. I have followed that up with numerous waxes to seal it.

I love Zaino for the interior...their cleaner and 'leather in a bottle' make the car smell brand new and take all the oil/sheen off the leather to make it look brand new.

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We traded that TSX on the MDX, but it was my last big detail project. When the hail damage was repaired, they totally screwed the paint. This plus numerous washes at the dealer just made me crazy.
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I'm a huge fan of the Wolfgang sealant and I've used a lot of products from NXT (easy to find at Walmart) to Zaino (overrated). The Wolfgang sealant is easy on and easy off and lasts a long time. I usually, clay, polish, coat of sealant, and the top with P21S.
I agree, Zaino is more on the "overrated" side. But it is still a good sealant. I also have P21S and IMO it's a bit overrated as well. I've heard some people had better results with P21S 100%. With that said, my favorite "soft" wax would be Chemical Guy's 50/50. It makes my wife's black car look like a pool of oil.
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Have to say that wash technique is probably a better area of focus than LSP. Wash it poorly and no wax is going to counter those swirls.

If forced, I would take a proper wash and an OTC wax rather than a wash that adds swirls and then topped by high-end wax--especially with a black exterior.
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Have to say that wash technique is probably a better area of focus than LSP. Wash it poorly and no wax is going to counter those swirls.

If forced, I would take a proper wash and an OTC wax rather than a wash that adds swirls and then topped by high-end wax--especially with a black exterior.
Agreed, but it is all part of the grand scheme of exterior paint care
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Agreed, but it is all part of the grand scheme of exterior paint care
I know that you know but does the OP know the grand scheme? He was asking about Nufinish so I'm assuming he might be scant on proper wash technique.
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any thoughts on the mothers carnauba wax?
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I agree, Zaino is more on the "overrated" side. But it is still a good sealant. I also have P21S and IMO it's a bit overrated as well. I've heard some people had better results with P21S 100%. With that said, my favorite "soft" wax would be Chemical Guy's 50/50. It makes my wife's black car look like a pool of oil.
The P21S 100% gives a great deep shine and is easy on/easy off, but it just doesn't last long enough for me. I keep going back to Blackfire sealant which consistently lasts about 6 months.
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any thoughts on the mothers carnauba wax?
I'd imagine it's pretty much equivalent with virtually any other parts store 'nuba, but I haven't worked a lot with it so I'm not sure.
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The P21S 100% gives a great deep shine and is easy on/easy off, but it just doesn't last long enough for me.
That's been my experience too. Beautiful depth, but not much in the way of longevity. Looks particularly good on silver cars which are generally more difficult to get great depth from.

Once again though, Blackfire sealant topped with BF Midnight Sun 'nuba gets a pretty good glow on silver:

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